Wikipedia:Featured article candidates/John Rolph/archive1
John Rolph[edit]
John Rolph (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
Toolbox |
---|
This article is about an Upper Canadian lawyer, politician doctor, and medical teacher. This figure's career is characterised by moderate Reform stances and constantly switching between a political life and practicing medicine. I hope you enjoy reviewing as much as I enjoyed researching him. Z1720 (talk) 18:52, 17 May 2024 (UTC)
Image review
- File:John_Rolph_Portrait.jpg: when and where was this first published?
- Source says "date" - is that publication date or creation date? Nikkimaria (talk) 14:39, 18 May 2024 (UTC)
- @Nikkimaria: I am not sure as I don't know how Archives Canada defines "date" on their website. My guess is that it is the creation date as the source is an autographed card and thus was not "published" in a book or album, but rather originally taken for Rolph's personal use. Z1720 (talk) 15:03, 18 May 2024 (UTC)
- File:Third_Parliament_Buildings_1834.jpg needs a US tag. Nikkimaria (talk) 05:20, 18 May 2024 (UTC)
@Nikkimaria: Responses above. Z1720 (talk) 14:34, 18 May 2024 (UTC)
- @Nikkimaria: Does the above resolve your concerns? Z1720 (talk) 16:15, 19 May 2024 (UTC)
- The lead image has a copyright tag indicating it was published before 1929. If I understand your response, you're saying it wasn't published at all - is that correct? If that's the case the current tag will need replacing. Nikkimaria (talk) 16:36, 19 May 2024 (UTC)
- @Nikkimaria: Since there is no confirmation from the source that this was ever published, I have replaced the tag with "never published" licencing templates on the image's commons page. Does this resolve the concerns? Z1720 (talk) 16:50, 19 May 2024 (UTC)
- That works. Nikkimaria (talk) 01:59, 20 May 2024 (UTC)
- @Nikkimaria: Just want to clarify: have all the image issues been resolved, so that there are no more concerns with the images used in this article? Z1720 (talk) 16:56, 6 June 2024 (UTC)
- Yes. Nikkimaria (talk) 00:32, 7 June 2024 (UTC)
- @Nikkimaria: Just want to clarify: have all the image issues been resolved, so that there are no more concerns with the images used in this article? Z1720 (talk) 16:56, 6 June 2024 (UTC)
- That works. Nikkimaria (talk) 01:59, 20 May 2024 (UTC)
- @Nikkimaria: Since there is no confirmation from the source that this was ever published, I have replaced the tag with "never published" licencing templates on the image's commons page. Does this resolve the concerns? Z1720 (talk) 16:50, 19 May 2024 (UTC)
- The lead image has a copyright tag indicating it was published before 1929. If I understand your response, you're saying it wasn't published at all - is that correct? If that's the case the current tag will need replacing. Nikkimaria (talk) 16:36, 19 May 2024 (UTC)
HF[edit]
I will try to review this soon. Hog Farm Talk 02:01, 19 May 2024 (UTC)
- I think the lead needs some editing - for instance, it is stated in multiple places that he was elected to the Parliament in 1824. In general it seems that much of the first paragraph is duplicated in the following two paragraphs
- Is it known why he returned to England in 1817?
- The article doesn't directly address much why Rolph first entered politics in the 1820s - the brief description in Patterson suggests that opposition to the Family Compact and the treatment of Robert Fleming Gourlay were causes - do Godfrey or other sources go into more explicit detail on this than Patterson?
- I will have to check Godfrey when I get a copy of the book. Unfortunately, the copy of Muggeridge's article that I had access to was missing a page, so I don't have info from that source from 1809-1826. Patterson seems to be giving more of a background of the political scene when Rolph entered politics, so I don't think I can use this. I'll check Godfrey when I get his book but Rolph also did not leave many letters or editorials of his thought process so his motivation for politics might not be in the historical record. Z1720 (talk) 20:52, 19 May 2024 (UTC)
- If Rolph was associated with the Reform party, then why did he run as a Tory for the Toronto city council seat?
- The lead refers to Bond Head as a Lieutenant General - this doesn't seem to be accurate and I'm assuming that's an error for Lieutenant-Governor
- "After Rolph submitted objections to Bond Head's tactics in the previous election to the legislature. " - sentence fragment
- The infobo indicates that he was in the legislative assembly until 1870, but the article indicates that he chose not to run for re-election in 1857?
I think that's it from me. While I did not conduct a formal source review, the sources used all appear to be sufficiently reliable, quick searching doesn't turn up any glaring sourcing ommissions, and I've skimmed through the Patterson source and compared it to the article. Hog Farm Talk 18:52, 19 May 2024 (UTC)
Coordinator comment[edit]
Three weeks in and just the single general support. Unless this nomination makes significant further progress towards a consensus to promote over the next three or four days I am afraid that it is liable to be archived. Gog the Mild (talk) 19:52, 8 June 2024 (UTC)
- I'm conducting reviews at FACs: hopefully, someone will pity this nomination and review it in time. Z1720 (talk) 21:52, 8 June 2024 (UTC)
Heartfox[edit]
I will review this. Anything useful in https://www.erudit.org/en/journals/onhistory/2022-v114-n2-onhistory07279/1092218ar.pdf by chance? Heartfox (talk) 02:35, 9 June 2024 (UTC)
- @Heartfox: I considered adding information about this when writing the article. However, this event mostly concerns his brother, George. Yes, John was George's lawyer at the many subsequent court proceedings, and scholars suspect that John's election to the parliament was a reason why George was attacked. However there are lots of other reasons why Tories wanted to harm George (accusation of adultery with his servant, and apparently his personality was annoying to Tories). Also, the court proceedings lasted several years and overlapped with Rolph's visit to England; I was worried that if I mentioned it, it would become a constant thread throughout the biography and confusing for the reader, as well as UNDUE for John's biography. Z1720 (talk) 02:56, 9 June 2024 (UTC)
- "In September he returned to North America, settled in Charlotteville Township, and was called to the bar in the province" → Could the locations be made more specific? I'm just a bit confused as this part of the article switches between Ontario and Upper Canada.
- "became a member of the Board of Education" → what is the Board of Education?
- "that rules Upper Canada" → ruled?
- Reform movement is linked in the lede but not the body
- "In the summer of 1826", "In spring 1833" → MOS:SEASONS
- "equivalent to £50,000 in 2019" → is this in Godfrey?
- This is from Template:Inflation. This will update as the template is updated. Z1720 (talk) 23:15, 9 June 2024 (UTC)
Best, Heartfox (talk) 21:34, 9 June 2024 (UTC)
Support. Heartfox (talk) 01:14, 10 June 2024 (UTC)
sawyer777's comments[edit]
here to help prevent this getting archived :) starting with the "works cited" section:
- the "via" parameter is used inconsistently
- Kett 1967 doesn't need a JSTOR stable URL since the JSTOR parameter is used
- publishers are linked only in the first applicable citation - MOS:REFLINK allows (but doesn't require) repeated linking in citations, since they're standalone. i'd suggest linking publishers across the board if we're linking publishers at all, but since MOS doesn't require it neither will i. (the same for the linking of journals, which i just noticed)
- Muggeridge 1959 should have an ISSN consistent with the other Ontario History journal cites (i assume it doesn't have a DOI if one hasn't been listed; not unusual for old articles)
i'll be back for more! ... sawyer * he/they * talk 07:00, 10 June 2024 (UTC)