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Maratha–Nizam wars[edit]

Maratha–Nizam wars (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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This article clearly fails WP:GNG & full of WP:SYNTH mess and WP:OR. Maratha–Nizam wars? More like every war against Marathas (as it is mixed up by Anglo-Maratha wars and French conflicts with Marathas) and there's no source for the timeline of this event (1720-1819), clearly fabricated by the author of the page. Neither I found any source explicitly referring to it as Maratha–Nizam wars nor did I find sources for its fictional timeline of 1720-1819. Based Kashmiri (talk) 15:51, 7 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hey!!
I have noticed that there is a discussion happening about the articles on the Maratha-Nizam wars. I am eager to participate and cast my vote for the article. After thoroughly reviewing the content, I have concluded that it comprehensively covers all the necessary information, supported by reliable sources in accordance with Wikipedia guidelines.I think that all the paragraphs in the article accurately depict the context and are verifiable according to Wikipedia guidelines WP:VERIFY.
Here is one source that mentioned it as maratha nizam wars:
•Britannica:[1]
•Britanicca(for further details):[2]
  • I think britannica is a better and clearly citing source for the article.It's verifiability and reliability can be checked at ->
•[3]

Timeline isn't mentioned in the heading of article but it is mentioned in the infobox.If there are any doubts some some sources are definitely needed for a better understanding about the timeline with the citation.But if article is undergoing deletion because of it's heading than the Britannca is one of the sources that cites it as 'Maratha -Nizam War' not as 'Anglo-Maratha War'.[4]

  • Suggestion:It is recommended that the editors and administrators involved in this matter thoroughly examine all sources and make decisions from a neutral Favourable Renaming the article to 'Maratha-Nizam War' instead of 'Maratha-Nizam Wars' would be appropriate as the Britannica source also refers to it in the singular form, given that the article primarily covers individual battles rather than overarching conflicts.
Thanks!! Kemilliogolgi (talk) 10:10, 8 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I know what you mean, but the source you shared doesn't cover the Maratha-Nizam war in its body instead it spun around the Anglo-Maratha wars. If you'll search "Maratha-Nizam war" under Britannica's sort searching then you won't find any article on Maratha Nizam war through filter searching under Britannica again I don't know how you concluded that it covers this topic while we don't find a single article on it. We know that Britannica is WP:RS but as I said it doesn't even cover this topic so kindly provide sources for Maratha-Nizam war 1720-1819.
Timeline isn't mentioned in the heading of article but it is mentioned in the infobox, that's the issue we don't find this particular timeline in any source. The author too is clearly aware of this therefore they didn't cite any source for this timeline. It's clearly a mix of several hostilities between Nizam, Marathas, Anglos and French and represented as "Maratha Nizam war". Based Kashmiri (talk) 11:42, 8 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep: The nominator clearly lacks an understanding of what WP:GNG entails, and I strongly suspect that this action is against me as the author because I nominated their articles for AFD. Please specify the section on the talk page where the sources were synthesized. Neither the Anglo-Maratha wars nor the French-Maratha conflicts are included; technically, it's feasible to add them since the article's scope covers conflicts between two parties: the Nizam and the Marathas, regardless of whether they were supported by the British East India Company, the French, or any other entities. I am listing the sources that explicitly state "Maratha-Nizam War(s)".
  1. [5]
  2. [6]
  3. [7]
  4. [8]
  5. [9]
  6. [10]
  7. [11]

822 results in JSTOR [12] almost 3,000 results in ProQuest[13]. and we have several other sources that do not explicitly mention "Maratha-Nizam wars" but provide detailed descriptions of the entire conflicts (a lot in the article itself). I will await the nominator to post the synthesized part on the talk page. Wikipedia is a collaborative project, not a platform for someone to boast their ego.--Imperial[AFCND] 16:50, 7 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The nominator clearly lacks an understanding of what, then why don't you show us a single source covering this event as Maratha-Nizam war (1720-1819)?
Neither the Anglo-Maratha wars nor the French-Maratha conflicts are included; technically, it's feasible to add them since the article's scope covers conflicts between two parties be sure. Is it conflicts or wars? It's clearly noticeable from the artificial timeline of this event (1720-1819) that it's heavily synthesized.
the Nizam and the Marathas, regardless of whether they were supported by the British East India Company, the French, or any other entities. I am listing the sources that explicitly state "Maratha-Nizam War Now that is WP:OR and WP:SYNTH you're mixing Anglo Maratha wars and French conflicts with Marathas just to get a fictional timeline so it can be "Nizam victory", Now I'd say it's also WP:POVFORK and please WP:DONTHOAX. Now let us look at the sources provided by you. The first two sources are identical.
  • [14] only gives insights of Maratha-Nizam war of 1751-52 but there's no Maratha nizam war 1720-1819 as currently the timeline decided by the author.
  • The third one [15] only talks about Maratha-Nizam hostilities of 1785-1787 again there's no mention of Maratha-Nizam war 1720-1819.
  • Fourth source [16] is not accessible so it'd be helpful if you provide a quotation for the Maratha-Nizam war 1720-1819.
  • Coming to the 5th source [17] again not accessible so provide a quotation for Maratha-Nizam war 1720-1819
  • Next [18] only found a topic of "Maratha-Nizam relations" I wonder if this led you to the conclusion of Martha-Nizam war 1720-1819.
  • At last, [19] this also can't be accessed so provide a quotation for Maratha-Nizam war 1720-1819.
Now coming to filter/sort keyword searching through JSTOR and ProQuest. Anyone can see that, It gives NO result for even the "Maratha-Nizam War" as a whole forget including timeline, all we see is individual results for Maratha and Nizam. So that's how you concluded that it has almost 3800 results (from both JSTOR and ProQuest)?
You have yourself yelled that we have several other sources that do not explicitly mention "Maratha-Nizam wars" but provide detailed descriptions of the entire conflicts hence proved it contains synthesis. And above too the sources provided by you don't give insights of Maratha-Nizam war 1720-1819.Based Kashmiri (talk) 03:50, 8 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@ImperialAficionado Indeed Wikipedia is a collaborative project therefore we have to make sure that an article shouldn't exist in mainspace as long as it doesn't pass general notability, and contains synthesis, original research and POVFORK. And No one is being egoistic here. Why do you think so?Based Kashmiri (talk) 03:53, 8 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Based Kashmiri, you're just increasing the volume of discussion with no improvement. You still haven't provided the synthesised part in the talk page, failed to prove it's not notable (waiting for others to make thier comments). There is a thing called WP:UCS. The "Maratha–Nizam wars" basically ends with the fall of the Marathas, as their conflicts lasted till then. The article body covers the contributions of the Nizam for the fall of the Marathas. Cheers. Imperial[AFCND] 07:01, 8 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I literally showed how the sources provided by you (most of them don't even cover "Maratha-Nizam war" but cover some relations and hostilities). We just need a single source for the specific Maratha-Nizam war 1720-1819 and I'll pull off the prod with myself. Maratha–Nizam wars" basically ends with the fall of the Marathas, as their conflicts lasted till then. At least provide a source to back your statements, this is WP:OR and no WP:UCS doesn't give you waivers for extending the timeline on your own. We're still waiting for you to provide sources for your defined Maratha-Nizam war (1720-1819).Based Kashmiri (talk) 10:46, 8 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep Nominators arguments are nowhere found in the article. I don't understand how this doesn't pass WP:GNG. Suggesting the nominator to keep personal bias away, as it seems to be the problem here.--DeepstoneV (talk) 18:18, 7 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    "Nominators arguments are nowhere found in the article. I don't understand how this doesn't pass WP:GNG." You also didn't understand that a screenshot from YouTube video is not a reliable source (at Gupta empire talk page), I already replied how this article is fully based on WP:OR, WP:SYNTH, POVFORK and it doesn't passes general notability. Feel free to reply to my response below. Based Kashmiri (talk) 04:06, 8 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Oh dear, you're taking everything personally. What was the reason to drag another discussion here? Please don't continue this thread, or use other talk pages. Imperial[AFCND] 07:04, 8 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    @ImperialAficionado it'd be better if you give this advice to DeepstoneV as at first they accused me of having Personal bias. Based Kashmiri (talk) 14:26, 8 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete This article appears to amalgamate various wars without citing any reliable sources that acknowledge such a conflict by this name. The timeline presented (1720-1819) seems implausible, and the outcome is equally questionable. Even if the Nizam’s actions in Anglo-Maratha Wars contributed to the Maratha downfall, that could be the subject of a separate article. It’s not appropriate to include it in a comprehensive conflict spanning over a century. This inclusion could distort the narrative and lead to misinformation. A MUST DELETE ONE! --Mohammad Umar Ali (talk) 08:00, 8 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    In that case, we might also have to delete Ahom-Mughal conflicts, Roman–Persian Wars, Roman–Parthian Wars....etc. Imperial[AFCND] 08:11, 8 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    And probably Ghaznavid campaigns too! Mohammad Umar Ali (talk) 08:38, 8 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    @ImperialAficionado kindly refrain from pushing WP:OTHERCONTENT you should go through WP:AADP. I'd not extend it because of WP:OTHERCONTENT but since you already gone off topic so I'd respond to it.
    In Roman–Persian Wars and Roman–Parthian Wars the dates and timeline of the wars are already cited in the lead but that's not the case in Maratha–Nizam wars you have not cited any source in the lead or even in the article body to support your preferred timeline of 1720-1819 neither you're providing sources here for this timeline.
    Similarly we can't do the same with Hundred Years' War and Seven Years' War because its timeline is affixed by scholars. Based Kashmiri (talk) 13:12, 8 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete There was no prolonged war but the wars that happened time to time with each of them taking years of years. The article is misleading also because it was the British Empire who caused elimination of Maratha Empire, not Hyderabad State. Ratnahastin (talk) 11:41, 9 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Delete, As per above comment Rawn3012 (talk) 02:23, 14 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete Can't find any source for this war either which is almost a hundred year timeline conflict. WP:LOTSOFGHITS and WP:THISNUMBERISHUGE proves nothing (Considering that no such protracted war ever happened in South-Asia). The above Keeps are more like WP:BUTITEXISTS and WP:EDPN.

Recommended: I'd suggest WP:SPLIT for a particular war/conflict/hostility (of course, only ones which are notable). --Jonharojjashi (talk)

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Interior Design Masters series 4[edit]

Interior Design Masters series 4 (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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Redirect to Interior Design Masters. Fails WP:GNG, lacks significant coverage in multiple independent secondary sources. Mostly original research. Dan arndt (talk) 07:13, 15 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Interior Design Masters series 5[edit]

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Redirect to Interior Design Masters. Fails WP:GNG, lacks significant coverage in multiple independent secondary sources. Mostly original research. Dan arndt (talk) 07:12, 15 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Dominant CZ[edit]

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Does not meet WP:NORG criteria. The page was obviously written as self-promotion. After restructuring in 2021 and renaming to DOMINANT Genetika s.r.o., it has only 10-19 employees (according to the Business Register). The page is said to have been translated from cswiki, but it has already been deleted there as well. FromCzech (talk) 07:01, 15 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  • Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Companies and Czech Republic. FromCzech (talk) 07:01, 15 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment: An article here gives a more detailed history of the firm's several restructurings (prior to the most recent restructuring mentioned in the nomination), indicating Dominant CZ was founded in 1998. AllyD (talk) 07:18, 15 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

List of Americans killed during the Russian invasion of Ukraine[edit]

List of Americans killed during the Russian invasion of Ukraine (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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Mainly due to lack of notability, WP:NOTNEWS, and the obvious bias issue in having this list. In addition the list contained original research listing the Telegram channel 'TrackANaziMerc' as a source since February. Traumnovelle (talk) 20:11, 30 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Interesting topic.... would have never searched for it on my own. There seems to be substantial sourcing for this if it wants to be improved no? Moxy🍁 20:18, 30 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
There are the only two sources I could find that treat the topic as a group: [20] (paywalled so can't review) and [21], and this latter source isn't very in depth about it. Traumnovelle (talk) 20:24, 30 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I've been able to read the Washington Post link thanks to a gift I was sent: I don't believe the Washington Post is dealing with solely Americans having been killed in the war, but rather the idea and reasons behind Americans serving overseas in Ukraine - the Washington Post article is more suited for foreign fighters in the Russo-Ukrainian War rather than this list. Traumnovelle (talk) 04:41, 1 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Speedy Keep, I got a proposal to change the topic to "List of Americans killed in the Russo-Ukrainian War" , which @EkoGraf, the creator of the list, doesn't oppose to it, maybe we could change the topic first before we nominate to delete?
PoisonHK Sapiens dominabitur astris 14:21, 1 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
The title/period isn't the issue with the list. Also speedy keep cannot apply here. Traumnovelle (talk) 18:39, 1 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep, also article is incomplete and need expantion. If the title is changed to List of Americans killed in the Russo-Ukrainian War we should include American killed during the War in Donbas 2014-2021.Mr.User200 (talk) 14:26, 1 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep it pass notability and WP:RS with sources as The Guardian, Politico and Yahoo News. Shadow4dark (talk) 16:12, 1 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    But do they deal with the topic as a group like this? Routine news coverage doesn't establish notability of the topic as a list. Traumnovelle (talk) 18:42, 1 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Replace "Routine news" with better sources, it pass clearly notability. Shadow4dark (talk) 04:45, 2 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    What? Traumnovelle (talk) 21:02, 2 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep as article creator, notability established as mentioned by RS, also agree to article expansion to include those from the Donbas War. EkoGraf (talk) 18:18, 1 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Weak keep. Regarding lack of notability, NOTNEWS, and bias, I disagree with all three. I think it's pretty notable and informative for Americans and others to known how many died in a war they heavily funded. NOTNEWS I think is exempt in a list. To achieve completeness a list often must exhaust news coverage. And bias, I agree and disagree, but don't believe it's a problem. Making a list of Americans killed only shows coverage bias, similar to how there are so many pages and information about alleged Russian war crimes and negative stuff about Russia but very few covering the other side, Ukraine. That's mostly because most editors show more interest in writing about negative Russian things and because most sources that cover the alleged Ukrainian crimes are suppressed in Wikipedia. In such cases, I think the better solution is simply to also write about the other side, not remove the favored side. Thus, a list of other foreign nationals killed would also be important. Btw, doesn't such global list exist? If it does, then the American-only list should be merged in it and not stick out.
Regarding the alleged WP:OR, I haven't checked. If there are problems, then they should be solved, but I don't think deleting the page just because of it is ideal. I'm not following this thread, so ping me if you want a reply. Alexis Coutinho (talk) [ping me] 21:06, 1 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
There's the exact same routine coverage of non-American foreign civilians/soldiers killed in Ukraine during the current Russo-Ukraine war.
The only similar article I could find was list of deaths during the Russian invasion of Ukraine, which includes people with Wikipedia articles, for the few that don't have one they appear to be important politicians or military officials. @Alexiscoutinho Traumnovelle (talk) 06:20, 2 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
👍. Regarding the other list being of people with articles, I think it would be unfair to omit people without articles or military career (here). 🤔 Alexis Coutinho (talk) [ping me] 15:03, 2 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I would say it's to have a US specific list about a war being fought in Eastern Europe by two European countries. Traumnovelle (talk) 21:02, 2 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep per others, particularly Alexis Coutinho. Needs some improvement but shouldn't be deleted Me Da Wikipedian (talk) 01:41, 2 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Keep The article serves a historical purpose Salfanto (talk) 17:08, 3 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete All Keep votes above sum up to ILIKEIT, ITSUSEFUL, and THEREMUSTBESOURCES. None give an actual policy-based reason to keep. Per nominator, there is no coverage of this topic as a group, only individual instances. QuicoleJR (talk) 19:02, 4 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    I will also say that there are several other lists for other countries that should likely also be deleted unless good sources are found for those countries. QuicoleJR (talk) 19:04, 4 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete as per nomination. The fact this is simply a list, not an in-depth article, also hobbles this entry.TH1980 (talk) 01:42, 5 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete: Fails NLIST, sources do not show there is WP:SIRS discussing this as a group. List contains only non-notable entries (one exception), serves no purpose per WP:CLN. Keep votes above are ILIKEIT and provide no sources showing this had been discussed as a group or guidelines showing why the should be kept.  // Timothy :: talk  19:22, 7 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Relisting comment: Relisting. It seems like there is a lack of policy-based reasons on both sides of this discussion. ITSUSEFUL isn't a strong defense but neither is the proposition of bias because we don't have articles on soldiers who have been killed from other countries. There are always other articles that have yet to be written.
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Vistamar School[edit]

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advertising. All the sources self-referential, little hope of finding others, no NPOV Melchior2006 (talk) 17:39, 30 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete, non-notable school Traumnovelle (talk) 20:21, 30 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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  • Comment - Significant write up on it here. [22] The page is indeed very poor (and tbh, it would be no great loss to just delete it). However there may be more sources, now that the school is approaching 20 years old. Sirfurboy🏄 (talk) 19:00, 7 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep. I revised the article, adding sources (at least 3 meet WP:SIGCOV for WP:GNG). I also listed another ten potential sources on Talk:Vistamar School, as more evidence of notability, keeping in mind that notability attaches to the subject, regardless of the state of the article. (ProQuest sources are available by signing in first to Wikimedia, then to Wikipedia Library Platform.) Cheers! — Grand'mere Eugene (talk) 22:22, 12 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks for updating the article. However, there are not 3 articles that count towards GNG. There is the LA Times article I found and then you have two from the Daily Breeze. These count together - multiple articles from a single source count as one towards GNG. I think it is the Daily Breeze articles you meant to count, but just in case, I have looked at all the sources you added, and produced this analysis. I am, however, leaning keep. Sirfurboy🏄 (talk) 10:38, 13 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Weak keep - As per my comment above, We have two sources towards GNG. I consider "multiple" to mean three or more, to allow a thorough article to be written, but on the basis of the two, and particularly because one of them is in teh LA Times, I am leaning keep. Of course, an LA school is local for the LA Times - but the quality and reach of the source makes this a good candidate for notability. I also found other mentions in ProQuest, such as PR Newswire sources [23] but note the primary news reporting nature of many of these. Nevertheless, on the basis of the sources found to date, my feeling is that more are very likely to exist. Now that the article has been expanded a little, there is also a weak WP:HEY for keeping. I would like to see it expanded further, and I would like one more good source, but I don't see deletion as being a net positive in this case. Sirfurboy🏄 (talk) 10:38, 13 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Source assessment table: prepared by User:Sirfurboy
Source Independent? Reliable? Significant coverage? Count source toward GNG?
Accredditing Commission for Schools [24] Yes ~ Reliable but a primary source No Directory ✘ No
Vistamar School History [25] No No Primary source ~ 404 on link so cannot evaluate ✘ No
LA Times [26] Yes Yes The source is a major newspaper Yes The article focuses on the school founding as a concept ✔ Yes
Daily Breeze [27] AND Daily Breeze (second occurence - multiple articles from the same source count as one towards GNG) [28] Yes Local papers (see below) often publish press releases with little alteration, and as such the independence is questionable. In the first case the author is given as Shelly Leachman. [29] A communications officer since 2012, we are old She previously worked more than a decade as a journalist for news outlets across California, covering primarily education[30]. This piece has her byline, and as such it is unlikely it is just a press release. Indeed she seems to have interviewed students for this piece.
In the second case the author is credited as Ian Hanigan. Researching the author, I find Ian Hanigan serves as chief communications officer for the Orange County Department of Education, overseeing the Communications and Media Services unit.[31] However he was the Daily Breeze educational journalist until 2006 by the same source. This piece is dated 2005, so it appears he write the piece himself - it has his byline and this was his beat. 		Yes Daily Breeze is a local paper with 57,000 circulation, slogan "LAX to LA harbour". This is local coverage only, but still reliable and secondary. Yes With local sources, the question is whether there is sufficient information to write an article in the source. This criterion is often not well considered, but these articles appear to give the basis for some article. The problem with my analysis is that I don't have Proquest institutional access to these full records and they are not available in newspapers online, so I cannot fully assess whether these are in sufficient depth to meet this criterion. However we have two articles, three years apart, and looking at different aspects, so taken together, I am giving a cautious yes here. ✔ Yes
NCS directory [32] Yes ~ The source is reliable but this is a primary source No Directory only ✘ No
Niche [33] Yes I am not sure how Niche select schools for listing but will give it a pass on this as it fails on other measures ~ A directory is a type of primary source, and it is not clear how the information is collated. Some is clearly taken from the school's own materials, again primary No Directory listing, and substantial information is copied from the school and is not created by Niche. ✘ No
This table may not be a final or consensus view; it may summarize developing consensus, or reflect assessments of a single editor. Created using {{source assess table}}.
  • Comment: Sirfurboy, Thanks for providing your analysis in the above table. It's very useful, and I know it's a significant amount of work. Were you able to access the ProQuest sources, yet, that I listed on the talk page? Also, non-local sources are not required for WP:GNG, only for WP:NORG. The latter specifically exempts non-profit educational institutions like Vistamar School: The scope of this guideline covers all groups of people organized together for a purpose with the exception of non-profit educational institutions, religions or sects, and sports teams. I point this out because sometimes editors equate the term private with the term for profit, concluding erroneously that all private schools must meet NORG. Again, thanks for the care and thoroughness of your analysis. — Grand'mere Eugene (talk) 22:46, 13 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete. The refs are primary, routine opening press releases etc., and databases. Even the LA Times is covering the opening and doesn't wash for GNG. Desertarun (talk) 14:09, 14 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Albert Tjåland[edit]

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Albert Tjåland (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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This succumbed to an AFD before, but since then it has been recreated due to "coverage in international media". It happened at a time when the player was looking to be moving up in the football hierarchy, but with all due respect to the player, the career has stagnated, which I think allows us to see the subject in a clearer light. In an encyclopedic sence, Albert Tjåland fails WP:NOTINHERITED, WP:SUSTAINED, WP:TOOSOON, WP:SIRS and as a consequence WP:SPORTCRIT.

  • ABT was a child whom international media took a novelty interest to.
  • His football career has not panned out. He plays on the fourth tier, has never played a league game for a first team, only reaching as far as appearing 6 times on Bryne's bench - as well as playing a cup game for Molde, which for WP:PEACOCK reasons is called "a professional debut". Nothing he has done remotely resembles a significant accomplishment within sport.
  • While there was coverage in many countries, there reports about various accomplishments in children's games lack significance, and was all the more packed with speculation and hot air. A big breakthrough is not currently looming on the horizon, and while it might of course happen one day, we have the too soon guideline for a reason.
  • The press coverage was exclusively motivated by him having a famous relative. Albert and Erling have similar names and likenesses, and joined the same club (Molde) as a youth player. Take the relative out of the equation, and what are you left with? Notability is not inherited from relatives. Geschichte (talk) 09:34, 30 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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  • Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found please ping me. GiantSnowman 20:03, 30 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep, passes GNG with significant coverage.--Ortizesp (talk) 12:52, 6 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • There is no significant coverage, just churnalism. As I took the time to explain why I think so above, I think you should explain your view as well. Geschichte (talk) 07:59, 7 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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  • Keep - Per Ortizesp. Young player with ongoing career with pro Norwegian top flight team and many good sources already. Thanks, Das osmnezz (talk) 07:50, 14 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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  • Comment. My further thoughts are that the keep opinions are annulled by their lack of explanation and non-existing response as to the nomination statement, which detailed a failure of several policies. "significant coverage" and "many good sources" are unfounded opinions; "ongoing career with pro Norwegian top flight team" is false, Tjåland has an ongoing career with a semi-pro B team on the fourth tier. Geschichte (talk) 07:32, 15 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Interior Design Masters series 3[edit]

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Fails WP:GNG, lacks significant coverage in multiple independent secondary sources. Mostly original research. Dan arndt (talk) 06:33, 15 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Rajput Mughal marriage alliances[edit]

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WP:OR written to promote a POV. The topic itself is not notable that it would need a separate article.Ratnahastin (talk) 04:40, 15 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Abdullah Syafi'i[edit]

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Fails GNG and NBIO. Sources in article (blogspot) and found in BEFORE do not meet WP:SIRS addressing the subject directly and indepth.  // Timothy :: talk  04:17, 15 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

École des Navigateurs[edit]

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Does not meet WP:GNG nor WP:NORG. The first source is from the school's website, and the second is a trivial mention in a movie. '''[[User:CanonNi]]''' (talk • contribs) 04:10, 15 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

List of tornadoes by calendar day[edit]

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This is a cherry-picked list with no specific criteria. The article name is highly misleading as one would expect every tornado that occurred on each day to be listed (which is impossible). Dates on this page have mention of certain tornadoes or outbreaks without any mention of multiple other tornadoes or outbreaks of equal or greater significance occurring the same dates. Since not every tornado event can be included, this article is misleading and should be deleted. United States Man (talk) 03:56, 15 May 2024 (UTC) United States Man (talk) 03:09, 15 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  • Comment No reason has been specified for deletion. Noah, BSBATalk 03:40, 15 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Stand by. I gave a reason but it seems that was not carried over into the discussion for some reason. United States Man (talk) 03:53, 15 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Alan Roberts (sailor)[edit]

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BLP, fails GNG and NBIO. Sources in article and found in BEFORE do not meet WP:SIRS, addressing the subject directly and indepth. The event they are primary known for does not have an article. BLPs require strong sourcing.  // Timothy :: talk  02:51, 15 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

1997 Prairie Dell-Jarrell tornado[edit]

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This tornado has an ample section at 1997 Central Texas tornado outbreak which more than covers this tornado. Having a separate article to cover the same information is a WP:CONTENTFORK. The author also recently started 2024 Sulphur tornado, which was overwhelming merged: Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/2024 Sulphur tornado. United States Man (talk) 02:49, 15 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Much of the excess character number comes from the lead section and the "Case studies" section which uses unnecessarily long quotes and could be entirely condensed into one paragraph. Quantity does not equal quality. United States Man (talk) 03:03, 15 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Merge? Delete? - From what I can tell looking over these articles for the first time, this article is just a regurgitation of what is provided more succulently on the 1997 Central Texas tornado outbreak page. The fatalities section in particular is almost identical word for word. If there are new details in this tornado article that were not provided on that outbreak page, they should be merged into the outbreak page. Otherwise, this appears to be an unacceptable content fork and should be deleted. In theory, I'm not against an individual page for the Jarrell tornado, but I think the main outbreak page presents the information so thoroughly that it would be inferior in every case. wxtrackercody (talk · contributions) 03:17, 15 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Events, Environment, and Texas. WCQuidditch ☎ ✎ 04:09, 15 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The Vets (company)[edit]

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Article about a company that does not pass WP:NCORP or WP:GNG. Coverage is limited to news about product launches and market openings that are excluded from consideration as trivial under NCORP. Cannot find multiple examples of significant, secondary, independent coverage. Dclemens1971 (talk) 02:49, 15 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Salem Al Shamsi[edit]

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BLP, fails GNG and NBIO. Sources in article and found in BEFORE fail WP:SIRS, nothing found addressing the subject directly and indepth meeting WP:SIGCOV. Source eval:

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Government About page, fails WP:SIRS 1. "UAE Embassy in Abuja-About the Ambassador". www.mofa.gov.ae. Retrieved 2023-11-13.
Mill news about official presenting credentials, fails WP:SIRS does not address subject directly and indepth for WP:SIGCOV 2. ^ Jump up to:a b "United Arab Emirates Ambassador Presents Credentials to President of Nigeria". African Business. 2023-08-25. Retrieved 2023-11-13.
Mill news, fails WP:SIRS does not address subject directly and indepth for WP:SIGCOV 3. ^ "FCT Minister, Wike receives UAE ambassador, urges swift reversal of visa ban on Nigerians". ThisNigeria. 2023-11-13. Retrieved 2023-11-13.

BLPs require strong sourcing.  // Timothy :: talk  02:38, 15 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Badal Sesher Pakhi[edit]

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Fails GNG. Sources in article and found in BEFORE do not meet WP:SIRS addressing the subject directly and indepth.  // Timothy :: talk  02:32, 15 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  • Delete: No coverage found other than the announcement of the series. ABP Bengali provides some coverage, as does Etvbharat, but I'm not sure about Etv’s reliability. Both of them are just announcements of the series; no other coverage found. Grabup (talk) 05:09, 15 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Cerebra (charity)[edit]

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The external links that are presumably used as references are not reliable, as they are either written by the organization or people connected with it, or barely have any information on it. Most of the sources that I can find also seem to be written by the organization or people connected with it.

Overall, there don't seem to be any independent sources with significant coverage. Ships & Space(Edits) 02:15, 15 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hong Kong Chinese Christian Union Logos Academy[edit]

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Fails GNG and NORG. Sources in article and found in BEFORE are listings, name mentions, routine mill news, nothing that meets WP:SIRS, addressing the subject directly and indepth  // Timothy :: talk  02:13, 15 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

G.T. (Ellen Yeung) College[edit]

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Fails GNG and NORG. Sources in article and found in BEFORE are listings, primary, name mentions, routine mill news, nothing that meets WP:SIRS, addressing the subject directly and indepth  // Timothy :: talk  02:12, 15 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Unique Kings Obi[edit]

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Fails WP:GNG or any related SNG. Sources are either passing mention, primary or not independent of the subject. The only sources that give SIGCOV are obviously promotional paid puffs and connected to the subject. The Vanguard piece [34], and the Independent pieces [35], [36] are examples. Vanderwaalforces (talk) 02:06, 8 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  • Keep: Subject is a notable figure in Nigeria and has enough sources to prove this. The passing mentions for were added to as an evidence to a sentence. The references about the African Creators Summit were also added to evidence the information that he is the founder of the summit Mevoelo (talk)

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Carmel Divine Grace Foundation Secondary School[edit]

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Fails GNG and NORG. Sources in article and found in BEFORE are listings, name mentions, routine mill news, nothing that meets WP:SIRS, addressing the subject directly and indepth  // Timothy :: talk  02:08, 15 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  • Keep per the significant coverage in multiple independent reliable sources. The subject passes Wikipedia:Notability (organizations and companies)#Schools, which says:

    All universities, colleges and schools, including high schools, middle schools, primary (elementary) schools, and schools that only provide a support to mainstream education must either satisfy the notability guidelines for organizations, the general notability guideline, or both. For-profit educational organizations and institutions are considered commercial organizations and must satisfy those criteria. (See also WP:SCHOOLOUTCOMES)

    Sources

    1. Chan, Margaret (1993-10-18). "Making studies enjoyable". South China Morning Post. Archived from the original on 2024-05-15. Retrieved 2024-05-15.

      The article notes: "Carmel Divine Grace Foundation Secondary School, Po Lam Estate, Tseung Kwan O. ... This year, the school implemented an orientation programme for its 11 new teaching staff. The programme introduces the new teachers to the aims of the school; explains teaching procedures; and allows them to share their opinions and experiences after a few weeks in the new job. ... This year, the school has also introduced a new Form 1 subject called Computer Literacy. ... Since the school was founded in 1987, the quality of students has improved greatly. It accepted mostly Band 4 students in 1987, but now most students are in Band 1. ... The Christian school was founded in 1987. It is not affiliated to any particular church. ... Students are taught in Chinese and English, both sharing equal prominence. ... The school has 26 classrooms and laboratories for Integrated Science, Chemistry, Physics and Biology."

    2. Ruby (2022-07-26). "西貢區中學Band1學校集結｜演藝界新星準備發光發亮" [Sai Kung District Secondary School Band 1 schools gather｜Rising stars in the entertainment industry are ready to shine]. Sunday Kiss (in Chinese). New Media Group [zh]. Archived from the original on 2024-05-15. Retrieved 2024-05-15.

      The article notes: "迦密主恩中學 迦密主恩中學是西貢區將軍澳新市鎮內第一個中學校舍，亦是第一間資助英文中學。所以它在早期已經是區內的知名band 1 英中，是區內採用英語授課歷史最悠久的學校！實力一定不會差。交流計劃及海外遊學團是他們基本的活動，固此他們的學生很早已經接觸外國文化，英文水平更是優秀。 與其他區的名校一樣，迦密主恩中學一樣著重STEM教育（科學、技術、工程及數學），學校就有STEM課程包括生物科技及3D打印技術，更有VR虛擬實景供同學發揮創意，說不定香港的將來科學家就是出自迦密主恩中學！"

      From Google Translate: "Carmel Divine Grace Foundation Secondary Schooll is the first secondary school building in the new town of Tseung Kwan O, Sai Kung District, and the first aided English secondary school. Therefore, it was already a well-known band 1 English-Chinese school in the district in the early days, and it is the school with the longest history of teaching in English in the district! The strength will definitely not be bad. Exchange programs and overseas study tours are their basic activities. Therefore, their students have been exposed to foreign cultures very early, and their English proficiency is even better. Like other prestigious schools in the district, Carmel Lord's Grace Middle School also focuses on STEM education (science, technology, engineering and mathematics). The school has STEM courses including biotechnology and 3D printing technology, and also has VR virtual reality for students to express their creativity. Maybe Hong Kong’s future scientists will come from Carmel Lord’s Grace School!"

    3. "西貢將軍澳13校縮班" [Sai Kung Tseung Kwan O School 13 reduces classes]. Apple Daily (in Chinese). 2011-01-29. p. A13.

      The article notes: "繼北區中學自願縮班紓緩殺校壓力後，另一個「重災區」西貢及將軍澳區，13間中學昨日亦達成協議，各自縮減一班，包括名英中學迦密主恩中學"

      From Google Translate: "After the North District middle schools voluntarily reduced their classes to relieve the pressure of school killings, 13 middle schools in Sai Kung and Tseung Kwan O districts, another "hardest-hit area", also reached an agreement yesterday to reduce the number of classes by one class each, including the main school of Carmel Divine Grace Foundation Secondary School."

      The article notes: "迦密主恩中學創校24年，校舍建於八十年代，校長林瑞美指校舍只有25個課室，98年該校成為區內唯一英中，最高峯時多達31班，課室長期不敷應用 ，於是在頂樓加建一層，但新建樓層每逢雨天經常漏水，要用膠袋和喉管勉強支撐，曾試過有膠袋變成“水彈”墮下，影響正在考試的學生。 去年起該校為應付新高中學制，更要藉用旁邊小學課室上課。"

      From Google Translate: "Carmel Lord's Grace Secondary School was founded 24 years ago. The school building was built in the 1980s. Principal Lin Ruimei pointed out that the school building only has 25 classrooms. In 1998, the school became the only English-medium school in the district. At its peak, there were 31 classes. The classrooms were not fully utilized for a long time, so an additional floor was built on the top floor, but the newly built floor often leaked on rainy days, and had to be barely supported by plastic bags and pipes. In one case, a plastic bag turned into a "water bomb" and fell, affecting students who were taking exams. Since last year, in order to cope with the new high school academic structure, the school has to borrow classrooms from the neighboring primary school for classes."

    4. Yun, Nga-ting 袁雅婷 (2023-02-01). "香港學校｜迦密主恩中學 全人優質基督教教育 培養品學兼優生" [Hong Kong School｜Carmel Lord's Grace Secondary School, holistic high-quality Christian education, cultivating students with excellent moral character and academic performance]. am730 (in Chinese). Archived from the original on 2024-05-15. Retrieved 2024-05-15.

      The article notes: "學校亦著重STEM的發展。他說，學校運用三層架構發展同學相關的興趣及能力，第一層是全校參與模式，所有同學在初中到高中階段，課程都加入STEM元素。學生一般到大學才有機會接觸生物科技，但該校已設有生物科技實驗室，讓同學在中二開始對該科目有所理解，例如有關培植細菌、找出較強殺菌清潔劑的實驗等。高中就有各項STEM活動，例如STEM Day，所有學生都會參與其中。"

      From Google Translate: "The school also focuses on the development of STEM. He said that the school uses a three-tier structure to develop students' relevant interests and abilities. The first level is a whole-school participation model. All students from junior high school to senior high school have STEM elements added to the curriculum. Students generally have the opportunity to come into contact with biotechnology only when they go to university, but the school already has a biotechnology laboratory, allowing students to begin to understand the subject in Secondary 2, such as experiments on cultivating bacteria and finding stronger antiseptic cleaners. There are various STEM activities in high schools, such as STEM Day, in which all students participate."

    5. "將軍澳迦密主恩中學擧行三屆畢業禮，温漢璋勉勵必須有信心以將軍澳為家鄉發光芒" [Tseung Kwan O's Carmel Divine Grace Foundation Secondary School held its third graduation ceremony. Wan Hon-cheung encouraged the audience to have the confidence to shine in Tseung Kwan O as their hometown.]. Wah Kiu Yat Po (in Chinese). 1991-06-15. p. 6. Retrieved 2024-05-15 – via Hong Kong Public Libraries.
    There is sufficient coverage in reliable sources to allow Carmel Divine Grace Foundation Secondary School to pass Wikipedia:Notability#General notability guideline, which requires "significant coverage in reliable sources that are independent of the subject".

    Cunard (talk) 07:08, 15 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

List of TVB series (1977)[edit]

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Fails NLIST. Found no sources showing this subject (1977 TVB series) has been discussed as a group by independent reliable sources.  // Timothy :: talk  01:09, 8 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Comment: I think the list can be kept for a navigational purpose, but at the current state it's way too short. Seeing the 1978 & 1979 lists aren't that long, is there a possibility of merging the three lists together to form something like List of TVB series (1970s)? S5A-0043Talk 05:10, 12 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    • I agree with keeping this list for navigational purposes. I've explained below why this list meets Wikipedia:Manual of Style/Lists#Purposes of lists. According to the Chinese Wikipedia article zh:無綫電視劇集列表 (1970年代)#1977年, there were 24 TVB series in 1977. This page can be expanded to be as detailed as List of TVB dramas in 2023. The Chinese Wikipedia article is sourced to the TVB web page "1975-1979 (115)", which is now a dead link. Further expanding this list may require access to offline sources. Combining the smaller lists is a possible editorial option for now though once expanded to have all 24 1977 TVB dramas, there should be enough content to support a standalone 1977 list article. Cunard (talk) 09:47, 12 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
      "I agree with keeping this list for navigational purposes." shows this is Keep rationale is flat out nonsense. It clearly does not have a navigation purpose.  // Timothy :: talk  17:10, 12 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep per the significant coverage in multiple independent reliable sources.

    The subject passes Wikipedia:Notability#Stand-alone lists, which says, "One accepted reason why a list topic is considered notable is if it has been discussed as a group or set by independent reliable sources, per the above guidelines; notable list topics are appropriate for a stand-alone list." I will show below that "TVB series" has been treated as "a group or set by independent reliable sources".

    Summary of sources

    TVB series have been covered in several academic sources and numerous media sources. The academic sources discuss the shows in the context of TVB's history. The media sources discuss the shows in the context of the highest rated, the lowest rated, the "most classic", and the "best".

    Sources

    1. Cheuk, Pak-Tong (Fall 1999). "The Beginning of the Hong Kong New Wave: The Interactive Relationship Between Television and the Film Industry". Post Script. Vol. 19, no. 1. pp. 10–27. ISSN 0277-9897. ProQuest 2141429.

      The article notes: "In the early years, HK-TVB's Jade channel (the Chinese language service) broadcast only three locally-produced programs. Much of the remaining airtime was filled by foreign series, such as Doctor Kildare, I Spy, The Lucy Show, and Bonanza (Hong Kong Television Weekly 17-18). The station also showed early Mandarin and Cantonese pictures, such as The Revenge, Truth and False Husband (Chao-zhou-dialect pictures), Cool Chau Mei, andWonderful Princess (Hong Kong Television Weekly 14). In this, HK-TVB's initial programming strategy was no different from that of Rediffusion Cable. In 1968, however, HK-TVB produced its first drama series, A Dream Is a Dream, shown in 15-minute segments once every week."

      The article notes: "Gradually, more locally produced series gained popularity. Here is the list of the HK-TVB's top ten programs in November 1970: (1) Enjoy Yourself Tonight; (2) It Takes a Thief; (3) Tarzan; (4) Kao's Club; (5) Japanese Story; (6) Sharp's Club; (7) Night of Sharp; (8) Viceroy's On Life; (9) News and Weather Report; (10) The Fugitive. Of this list, half were imports (numbers 2, 3, 5, 7, and 10). On the other hand, the list also shows that locally produced series increasingly were favored by local audiences."

      The article notes: "In 1973, HK-TVB's new head of programming, Leong Suk-yi, produced the comedy series Seventy-Three, made up of 30-minute episodes shown once every week (30 episodes in all). Audiences welcomed the series for its refreshing satirical approach to social problems. It even garnered more viewers than Enjoy Yourself Tonight and became the territory's top rated program. The breakthrough achieved by Seventy-Three paved the way for series like Crossroad and CID (both 1976), Wonderfun (1977) and Seven Women; all were dramatic anthology series shot on film."

      The article notes: "In July 1978, the prime time program schedules of HK-TVB and CTV were as follows:"

      The article notes: "The dramatic mini-series that became most popular was HK-TVB's 1976 production Hotel. ... HK-TVB followed this success with the 1977 production A House is Not a Home."

    2. Siu, Chiu Shun Patrick (2022-11-11). The rise and fall of popular variety programs – A Hong Kong Case Study (PDF) (PhD thesis). Hong Kong Baptist University. Archived from the original (PDF) on 2024-01-27. Retrieved 2024-01-27.

      The thesis notes: "Background information of the selected five cases". The thesis discusses five TVB shows: "Program for Case Study 1 - Enjoy Yourself Tonight", "Program for Case Study 2 - Cantopop at 50", "Program for Case Study 3 - Movie Buff Championship", "Program for Case Study 4 - Am I Healthy?", and "Program for Case Study 5 - Be My Guest".

    3. Chu, Yiu-Wai (2020-06-05). "Hong Kong (in China) studies: Hong Kong popular culture as example". Global Media and China. 5 (2). doi:10.1177/2059436420917564.

      The article notes: "For example, Kok-Leung Kuk, one of the executive directors of TVB martial arts classics including The Legend of the Condor Heroes《射鵰英雄傳》(1983), The Return of the Condor Heroes《神鵰俠侶》(1983) and The Duke of Mount Deer《鹿鼎記》(1984), co-directed a Mainland version"

      The article notes: "TVB started collaborating with Youku in 2013, airing its dramas on China’s leading online video and streaming service platforms. One such drama, Line Walker 《使徒行者》, recorded a total of 2.4 billion views in 2014. These drama serials provided higher production budgets to TVB, supposedly raising the production quality. Legal Mavericks 《踩過界》 (or 《盲俠大律師》 in the Mainland), the first co-produced title with iQiyi that premiered in June 2017, successfully accumulated total streaming views of over 500 million in Mainland China. Another co-production, Line Walker: The Prelude 《使徒行者2》, a crime-thriller drama serial, also reached remarkable total streaming views of over 2 billion on Tencent’s platform in Mainland China."

      The article notes: "Whether history will repeat itself or not is too early to tell, but, for example, in 2018, three of the five TVB serial dramas that recorded the lowest viewership ratings were co-productions: Another Era 《再創世紀》, Infernal Affairs 《無間道》, and The Great Adventurer Wesley 《冒險王衛斯理》 (“The Five TVB Dramas With Lowest Viewership Ratings,” 2019)."

    4. Wong, Yan-wah 黃欣華 (2019-01-11). "TVB「2018最低收視五部劇集」出爐　高成本劇集收視未必似如期" [TVB's "Five Lowest-Rated Drama Series of 2018" is released. The ratings of high-cost dramas may not be as expected] (in Chinese). HK01. Archived from the original on 2024-01-27. Retrieved 2024-01-27.

      The article lists the TVB series The Great Adventurer Wesley, Succession War, Infernal Affairs, Another Era, and Stealing Seconds.

    5. Lo, Alex (2011-01-28). "A golden age when TVB dictated popular culture". South China Morning Post. Archived from the original on 2021-04-28. Retrieved 2024-01-27.

      The article notes: "Just as that period of time is considered the golden age of Hong Kong when its economy took off, it was arguably the best time for quality programmes at TVB. Dragon, Tiger and Leopard was an innovative crime drama series ... Another drama series, The Northern Stars, for a time, made being a social worker almost hip. Then came Gan Kwok-leung, arguably the best scriptwriter TVB ever had. He penned The Wrong Couples and No Biz Like Showbiz which restored the art of the dramatic dialogue that is hard to imagine for a TVB programme today."

    6. Koh, Jiamun (2022-05-25). "The 10 TVB Shows With The Highest Ratings In The Past 12 Years". 8 Days. Archived from the original on 2024-01-27. Retrieved 2024-01-27.

      The article lists Forensic Heroes S4, Can't Buy Me Love, Triumph In The Skies 2, No Regrets, Forensic Heroes S3, Airport Strikers, Inbound Troubles, The Mysteries of Love, Story of Yanxi Palace, and Witness Insecurity.

    7. Wong, Chi-hang 黃梓恒 (2023-09-01). "TVB今年13套劇集收視排行榜　第一位拋離成條街注定成大贏家？" [TVB's 13 TV drama ratings rankings this year: No. 1 is destined to be the big winner?] (in Chinese). HK01. Archived from the original on 2024-01-27. Retrieved 2024-01-27.

      The article discusses 13 TVB series.

    8. Lam, Seon-ging 林迅景 (2023-01-02). "盤點2022年15套TVB深宵劇　三代歌影視男神全部都搵到！" [Taking stock of 15 TVB late-night dramas in 2022, all three generations of singing, film and television male stars are available!] (in Chinese). HK01. Archived from the original on 2024-01-27. Retrieved 2024-01-27.

      The article discusses 15 TVB series.

    9. Wong, Chi-hang 黃梓恒 (2022-01-21). "青春不要臉｜80年代最經典十部TVB劇集　絕對係香港輝煌的一頁" [Freedom Memories｜The ten most classic TVB dramas of the 1980s, definitely a glorious page in Hong Kong] (in Chinese). HK01. Archived from the original on 2024-01-27. Retrieved 2024-01-27.

      The article discusses 10 TVB series.

    10. Wong, Chi-hang 黃梓恒 (2022-05-23). "TVB近年劇集最高收視十大排行榜　佘詩曼絕對係收視福星" [Top 10 TVB drama series with the highest ratings in recent years Charmaine Sheh is definitely a lucky star in the ratings] (in Chinese). HK01. Archived from the original on 2024-01-27. Retrieved 2024-01-27.

      The article discusses 10 TVB series.

    11. Wong, Chi-hang 黃梓恒 (2022-05-20). "TVB歷史最低收視十套劇集排行榜　今年未完但已經有四套入圍" [Ranking of the top ten TVB dramas with the lowest ratings in TVB history. This year has not been completed but four dramas have already been shortlisted.] (in Chinese). HK01. Archived from the original on 2024-01-27. Retrieved 2024-01-27.

      The article discusses 10 TVB series.

    12. Lam, Seon-ging 林迅景 (2022-03-26). "網民票選TVB十大冷門劇　蒼海遺珠勁多一線演員精彩過新劇" [Netizens voted TVB's top ten unpopular dramas. The Pearl of the Blue Sea has many A-list actors and actresses in the new drama.] (in Chinese). HK01. Archived from the original on 2024-01-27. Retrieved 2024-01-27.

      The article discusses 10 TVB series.

    13. Wong, Chi-hang 黃梓恒 (2021-05-21). "娛樂即時娛樂重溫20年前TVB劇集如何鼎盛　有六部劇集收視衝過40點！" [Entertainment Instant Entertainment revisits the heyday of TVB dramas 20 years ago. Six dramas have ratings exceeding 40 points!] (in Chinese). HK01. Archived from the original on 2024-01-27. Retrieved 2024-01-27.

      The article discusses several TVB series.

    14. Wong, Chi-hang 黃梓恒 (2022-11-10). "網民嚴選今年TVB最好睇十套劇集《美麗戰場》愈鬧愈鍾意？" [Netizens carefully selected the ten best TVB dramas to watch this year. The more popular "The Beauty of War" is, the more you like it?] (in Chinese). HK01. Archived from the original on 2024-01-27. Retrieved 2024-01-27.

      The article discusses 10 TVB series.

    15. Wong, Chi-hang 黃梓恒 (2017-10-29). "【台慶50周年】回顧TVB紮根香港50年　細數十大最出色「神劇」" [[Station's 50th Anniversary] Looking back at TVB's 50 years of roots in Hong Kong and breaking down the top ten most outstanding "divine dramas"] (in Chinese). HK01. Archived from the original on 2024-01-27. Retrieved 2024-01-27.

      The article discusses 10 TVB series.

    16. Wong, Chi-hang 黃梓恒 (2020-10-05). "TVB近十年最高收視10套劇集　最高一套基本上唔會再打破" [TVB's 10 highest-rated drama series in the past ten years, the highest-rated series will basically never break again] (in Chinese). HK01. Archived from the original on 2024-01-27. Retrieved 2024-01-27.

      The article discusses 10 TVB series.

    17. "【TVB古裝劇】網民嚴選30大TVB古裝劇　《金枝慾孽》+《大冬瓜》同上榜" [[TVB Costume Drama] Netizens carefully selected the top 30 TVB costume dramas. "War and Beauty" + "The Winter Melon Tale" are also on the list.]. Hong Kong Economic Times (in Chinese). 2022-05-10. Archived from the original on 2024-01-27. Retrieved 2024-01-27.

      The article discusses 30 TVB series.

    18. "TVB經典影劇深夜接力重播　觀眾投票選最想睇經典劇集" [TVB late-night relay reruns of classic movies and dramas, viewers vote for the classic dramas they most want to watch]. Hong Kong Economic Times (in Chinese). 2022-10-14. Archived from the original on 2024-01-27. Retrieved 2024-01-27.

      The article discusses several TVB series.

    19. "【萬千星2020】盤點TVB於2020年五大最高收視劇集 　《法證IV》奪冠《使徒3》未入五大" [[TVB Anniversary Awards 2020] Taking stock of TVB's top five most-watched dramas in 2020. "Forensic Heroes IV" won the championship and "Line Walker: Bull Fight" did not enter the top five.]. Hong Kong Economic Times (in Chinese). 2021-01-01. Archived from the original on 2024-01-27. Retrieved 2024-01-27.

      The article discusses five TVB series.

    20. Lo, Chi-wang 羅志宏 (2023-12-29). "細數2023年TVB劇集最高平均收視排行榜！僅得呢三部重頭劇 ..." [Break down the ranking of the highest average ratings of TVB dramas in 2023! Only three major dramas scored more than 20 points]. U Lifestyle [zh] (in Chinese). Hong Kong Economic Times. Archived from the original on 2024-01-27. Retrieved 2024-01-27.

      The article discusses eight TVB series.



    WP:NOTTVGUIDE

    WP:NOTTVGUIDE says:

    Electronic program guides. An article on a broadcaster should not list upcoming events, current promotions, current schedules, format clocks, etc., although mention of major events, promotions or historically significant program lists and schedules may be acceptable."

    These articles do not contain "upcoming events, current promotions, current schedules, format clocks". They contain "historically significant program lists and schedules" as shown through the coverage in academic and media sources.



    "Simple listings"

    WP:NOTDIRECTORY says:

    Simple listings without contextual information showing encyclopedic merit. Listings such as the white or yellow pages should not be replicated. See WP:LISTCRITERIA for more information.

    WP:LISTCRITERIA says: "Selection criteria (also known as inclusion criteria or membership criteria) should be unambiguous, objective, and supported by reliable sources."

    The membership criteria of these lists is "unambiguous" and "objective" as membership is based on which TVB dramas were broadcast. The membership criteria is "supported by reliable sources" because TVB series have been discussed in academic and media sources.

    WP:LISTCRITERIA further says, "As Wikipedia is an encyclopedia and not a directory, repository of links, or means of promotion, and should not contain indiscriminate lists, only certain types of lists should be exhaustive. Criteria for inclusion should factor in encyclopedic and topical relevance, not just verifiable existence."

    A topic that has been covered by academic and media sources meets the "encyclopedic and topical relevance" requirement.



    The list fulfills informational and navigation purposes.

    Wikipedia:Stand-alone lists#Notability, which says: Lists that fulfill recognized informational, navigation, or development purposes often are kept regardless of any demonstrated notability.

    1. It meets Wikipedia:Manual of Style/Lists#Information, which says, The list may be a valuable information source. This is particularly the case for a structured list. Examples would include lists organized chronologically, grouped by theme, or annotated lists.

      This structured list is a chronological ordering of all the TVB dramas that have been released in 1977. It is an annotated list that has the drama's airing dates, title, number of episodes, main cast, theme song(s), genre, and notes.

    2. It meets Wikipedia:Manual of Style/Lists#Navigation, which says, Lists which contain internally linked terms (i.e., wikilinks) serve, in aggregate, as natural tables of contents and indexes of Wikipedia. This is an index of all the TVB dramas that have been released in 1977.

      TVB produces Cantonese-language dramas. Most English Wikipedia editors do not speak Cantonese. This is why Category:TVB dramas has only 578 articles on television series, while the Chinese Wikipedia's version of the category, zh:Category:無綫電視劇集, has 3,049 articles. Wikipedia:Systemic bias discusses this, noting that As a result of systemic bias, Wikipedia underrepresents the perspectives of people in the Global South, which includes Hong Kong. Although these articles do not exist on the English Wikipedia, they exist on the Chinese Wikipedia. Taking the 2023 list as an example (zh:翡翠台電視劇集列表 (2023年)), there are detailed, well-sourced articles on 2023 TVB dramas such as zh:新四十二章 and zh:新聞女王. There are not corresponding English Wikipedia articles because there are not enough English Wikipedia editors with the interest and Chinese-language skills to create them.



    Multi-page list articles

    Wikipedia:Stand-alone lists#Titles links to Wikipedia:Naming conventions (lists)#Long (split) list naming recommendations, which discusses the conventions for "splitting a long list into multiple sub-articles". The long list here is "List of TVB series", while the sub-articles are "List of TVB dramas in 2022", "List of TVB dramas in 2023", etc.

    The guideline gives the example, "For example, TV show season lists are named in the form "Show title (season 1)", although the present guideline would have preferred "Show title: season 1" (the use of colons in the titles of works to indicate a subtitle, as in Star Trek: The Next Generation, is a likely reason for this variance)."

    The split by year is similar here. The split by year is a valid spinout to ensure the main list does not get too long. There is no need for the split child lists to individually meet Wikipedia:Notability#Stand-alone lists since the long parent list meets the notability guideline.



    General notability guideline

    There is sufficient coverage in reliable sources to allow the subject to pass Wikipedia:Notability#General notability guideline, which requires "significant coverage in reliable sources that are independent of the subject".

    Cunard (talk) 09:47, 12 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  • KeepI vote no on this page of nomination with article of deletion and here is the link about TVB Series 1977 of mytvsuper: https://www.mytvsuper.com/en/programme/greatvendettathe0002_128332/THE-GREAT-VENDETTA/ https://www.mytvsuper.com/en/programme/ahouseisnotahome_103303/A-House-Is-Not-A-Home/. Basically, don't know why the certain person of Timothy are trying to report nomination as no reason https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=List_of_TVB_series_(1977)&diff=prev&oldid=1222806959 who claims that "Fails NLIST! Found no sources showing this subject (1977 TVB series) has been discussed as a group by independent reliable sources." If I were TimothyBlue, I wouldn't satisfied and including not participated with nomination in this AFD for report to touch. Without report nomination for this AfD and that shouldn't happen in first place. I totally agree with Cunard to keep on active at all time that's because it was very important about TVB history. Cool90630 (talk).
  • Note to closer: The above is nonsense. This is a list with one non-notable entry and no sources for NLIST. The above refs are just spam, none of them discuss the subject - 1977 - as a group, and how that the BEFORE for this list was correct.  // Timothy :: talk  16:48, 12 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    • I restored the list entry of The Great Vendetta [zh] and added sources. The list now has two entries. I wrote above that the list can be expanded to 24 entries since there were 24 TVB dramas in 1977. I wrote above that a child list split by year from a long parent list does not need to itself meet the notability guideline when the parent list meets the notability guideline. Cunard (talk) 09:34, 13 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
      I totally agree with more source about TVB Series 1977 article of the above is make more sense. "The above is nonsense shows this is keep rationale is flat out nonsense. It clearly does not have a navigation purpose" so it seems off-topic here that's how TB user didn't seem understand what the TVB Drama 1977 is about so then trying to report nomination with article of deletion. If TB did not satisfied without approved as fails NLIST policy found no sources showing this subject (1977 TVB series) has been discussed as a group by specific independent reliable sources then TB should have put the article of creation or ask Cunard talk page instead so that's way to understand for adding more reference sources on the TVB Series articles. I am not trying to inconsiderate here by the way. Cool90630 (talk) 02:02, 14 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • CommentI think that the TVB series 1977 should kept as history and search TVBanywhere, Drama name episode by TVB or mytvsuper online details. (talk) 02:10, 14 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Relisting, while of course, policy-based arguments are important, I'd like to see an assessment of new sources brought to this discussion. Additionally, I'll add that I don't see much support here or in the previous AFD for deletion. But keep any further comments focused on sources and policy and not on contributors or general statements about the subject matter. This is an AFD, not an article or user talk page.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Liz Read! Talk! 02:03, 15 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Chandrikayilaliyunna Chandrakantham[edit]

Chandrikayilaliyunna Chandrakantham (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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Fails GNG. Sources in article and found in BEFORE are routine mill news, listings, annoucements, promo, nothing that meets WP:SIRS addressing the subject directly and indepth.  // Timothy :: talk  01:39, 15 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Parkmore Shopping Centre[edit]

Parkmore Shopping Centre (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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I don't believe this meets WP:ORG. Google news comes up with routine news like a robbery occurring but nothing indepth. 2 of the 4 sources are primary. LibStar (talk) 01:20, 15 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  • Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Shopping malls and Australia. LibStar (talk) 01:20, 15 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete: Agree with nomination. Closest I could find to WP:SIGCOV was this however it appears to be paid marketing. Everything else that came up for me had to do with incidents or events which were at the shopping centre, however the articles themselves appear not to be about the shopping centre. This doesn't appear to meet WP:ORG. TarnishedPathtalk 02:22, 15 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • It's possible this does pass our notability guidelines. This local government business news I'm not sure would count, but it does show the centre was notable enough when it opened to receive press which would count towards WP:GNG. A historical source search will be needed. SportingFlyer T·C 04:00, 15 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Bland skurkar, helgon och vanligt folk[edit]

Bland skurkar, helgon och vanligt folk (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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Failed PROD, dePRODded because Google isn't through enough for a BEFORE check. Unfortunately, I don't have access to other sources, and this article isn't easily redirected. I dream of horses (Hoofprints) (Neigh at me) 00:56, 15 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Plutomania Records[edit]

Plutomania Records (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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NCORP fail. Graywalls (talk) 00:53, 15 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Laal Ishq (Pakistani TV series)[edit]

Laal Ishq (Pakistani TV series) (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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Appears to fail WP:NTV and WP:GNG DonaldD23 talk to me 00:17, 15 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Angna (TV series)[edit]

Angna (TV series) (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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Appears to fail WP:NTV and WP:GNG DonaldD23 talk to me 00:16, 15 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Dulhan (TV series)[edit]

Dulhan (TV series) (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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Appears to fail WP:NTV and WP:GNG DonaldD23 talk to me 00:16, 15 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Haqeeqat (2019 TV series)[edit]

Haqeeqat (2019 TV series) (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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Appears to fail WP:NTV and WP:GNG DonaldD23 talk to me 00:15, 15 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hoor Pari[edit]

Hoor Pari (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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Appears to fail WP:NTV and WP:GNG DonaldD23 talk to me 00:15, 15 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Mere Khuda[edit]

Mere Khuda (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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Appears to fail WP:NTV and WP:GNG DonaldD23 talk to me 00:14, 15 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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