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Hello:
I'm reaching out to understand what changes I need to make before I resubmit the two draft biography pages that I recently created.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Tarapada_Santra https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Amiyakumar_Bandyopadhyay
Thanks for your review comments, I understand that the key reason for not qualifying is the lack of reliable, secondary references. I do have references to these individuals in (Bengali) books and in some websites and have read the guidance on how to mention them but just wanted to make sure I get it right.
For instance the website daricha.org has a biography on Tarapada Santra here - https://www.daricha.org/folklorists.aspx - would this qualify as a reliable, secondary source?
A bit of context: Both these individuals made major contributions to the study of local history (social, architectural, and folk) of southern Bengal. They worked between 1960 and 1990 surveying villages and monuments, and documenting them through field notes and books and articles (mostly in Bengali). They are widely considered pioneers in the field along with David McCutchion (who does have his own Wikipedia page) and Hitesranjan Sanyal and George Michell . Modern scholars of Bengali folk history and architecture rely heavily on the work done by this group.
I'm an independent researcher in Bengali Architecture and History who has used the work of these individuals extensively, so I've always wanted to pay back by creating their biographies on Wikipedia.
We are also working on a Wikimedia project to digitise and make publicly available about 600 photographs of these monuments taken in the 1980s by one of these researchers: George Michell.
I appreciate your help with this.
Amit Guha (talk) 09:25, 6 May 2024 (UTC)
- @AmitGuha: I declined your article based on two reasons: Notability and references. To meet the notability guidelines for scholars, the article has to meet any of the following (as supported by reliable sources):
- The person's research has had a significant impact in their scholarly discipline, broadly construed, as demonstrated by independent reliable sources.
- The person has received a highly prestigious academic award or honor at a national or international level.
- The person has been an elected member of a highly selective and prestigious scholarly society or association (e.g., a National Academy of Sciences or the Royal Society) or a fellow of a major scholarly society which reserves fellow status as a highly selective honor (e.g., Fellow of the Institute of Electrical and Electronics Engineers or Honorary Fellow of the Institute of Physics).
- The person's academic work has made a significant impact in the area of higher education, affecting a substantial number of academic institutions.
- The person has held a distinguished professor appointment at a major institution of higher education and research, a named chair appointment that indicates a comparable level of achievement, or an equivalent position in countries where named chairs are uncommon.
- The person has held a highest-level elected or appointed administrative post at a major academic institution or major academic society.
- The person has had a substantial impact outside academia in their academic capacity.
- The person has been the head or chief editor of a major, well-established academic journal in their subject area.
- Tarapada Santra is probably notable based on what you've stated in the article. There just isn't enough coverage to back this up. I couldn't find Kaushiki: Year 3, Edition 9 anywhere online. I found Kaushiki: David McCutchion Edition and it offered quite a bit of information, but was only cited once in the article on relatively unimportant information. I'd recommend:
- Making sure your references can, if possible, be easily accessed online or identified (e.g. through ISBNs or ISSNs) so information can be backed up. This isn't technically necessary but it makes it easier for future reviewers.
- Making sure all information in the article is properly cited and can be traced back to a reliable source (no original research). Currently, large sections of your article haven't been cited at all so the information can't be verified.
- Trying to find more references to help back up your information
- Amiyakumar Bandyopadhyay has more coverage but a lot of information still isn't cited properly. Make sure all information can be backed up by reliable, secondary sources.
- Since your subjects are both scholars, you only have to meet one of the above criteria and not necessarily the general guidelines for people. So as long as you can, for example, back up that they've had significant impacts in their field with reliable, secondary sources, you should be good for notability. www.daricha.org is certainly an independent source that you could use — I can't find much about it online so I can't say anything about reliability. I'd assume it's pretty accurate for local information.
- If you have any other questions, let me know.
Hi @Clearfrienda,
Thank you so much for taking the time to review my article on PropertyShark. I'm reaching out to gain further insight into your decision to mark the article for notability issues. I've noticed that while some of the articles I've cited only mention PropertyShark briefly, there are actually more than three sources that delve deeply into the topic, including The New York Times, The Real Deal, Money Inc., and Forbes. Additionally, I have found sources that provide in-depth coverage of the topic in Romanian, which I believe could further solidify its notability. I just want to ensure that referencing articles in a foreign language for an English-language article won't pose any issues. Your guidance on this matter would be greatly appreciated. EvelynJo (talk) 10:13, 7 May 2024 (UTC)
- @EvelynJo: I think your article is probably notable (hence why I marked it with a notice instead of draftifying or nominating for deletion) but I've noticed it is slightly lacking in in-depth coverage. This NYT article offers a good amount of coverage. The other NYT articles offer some coverage but are overall quite limited. In-depth coverage is often considered to be an article entirely or mostly about the subject. The Real Deal articles are a good example of in-depth coverage. The Time article definitely helps. The Money Inc. and Forbes.com sources usually aren't considered reliable on Wikipedia (see WP:FORBESCON). One or two more reliable, in-depth sources will certify notability. Yes, citing articles in a foreign language is completely fine (just make sure they're formatted correctly).
- Let me know if you have any other questions or concerns.
- Happy editing,
- Clearfrienda 💬 01:02, 8 May 2024 (UTC)
- @Clearfrienda: Thanks so much for your quick reply. I have cited a couple additional articles from Bloomberg and The Wall Street Journal. Hopefully, these will suffice and the notability tag can be removed. Please feel free to share any further feedback or suggestions for improvement.
- Best,
- @EvelynJo EvelynJo (talk) 14:17, 8 May 2024 (UTC)
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