User talk:Cashew.wheel/Archives/2022/October

SPA

Hi. Two comments:

1. In this edit summary you ask "why does this article require additional clarification when other articles on entities of the Government of Ireland do not"(?) You appear to ask this question without seeming to acknowledge that a significant number of other/similar articles do actually seek to clarify jurisdictional scope. Or, at least, did until your crusade to remove that clarification from, what, well over 100 articles(?) (In everything from the Garda Síochána to Bord Pleanála, CRU to NSAI,National Lottery to National Library, Dublin Docklands to Irish Water.) In short, many of these articles were worded as they were for clarity. Over style. Or whatever your goal is.
2. If unclear why several editors have questioned whether this apparently single-purpose pattern of editing is causing more disruption than it is adding value, you might want to read WP:SPA. (And perhaps WP:DISRUPTSIGNS and WP:HTBAE).

Bye. Guliolopez (talk) 01:47, 31 July 2022 (UTC)

Thanks for reaching out to take about this.

1. Guliolopez What clarity does the inclusion of "the Republic Of" provide in these unambiguous articles? (other than informing of the reader of the type of government). I hadn't included examples in the edit summary of Defence Forces (Ireland) but they include: Bord na Móna, DAA, ESB Group, Irish Coast Guard and the Marine Institute Ireland among others. The copy edits have nothing to do with style, rather improving the factual accuracy of Wikipedia and the websites/services that rely on it for semantic data.
2. I had already made myself familiar with the aptly named WP:SPA and would like to also point out the guidance for existing editors in that policy. My contribution to Wikipedia in the past week has been focused on a particular process, quite similar to that described in WP:NNH. Each edit has been considered within the guidance of WP:IRE-IRL, I have engaged in dialogue with other editors when they have raised objections to establish a consensus on the changes while also making the case to justify them where appropriate. I've refrained for engaging in edit wars and throughout been polite and respectful of other editors WP:CIV (which cannot be said of some other reviewers)

Cashew.wheel (talk) 12:52, 31 July 2022 (UTC)

"Guidance", indeed. There is no evidence the changes are mandatory but you treat it like that. The Banner talk 09:41, 24 August 2022 (UTC)

Stop acting as if it is a policy that has to be enforced. You have been told before that your actions have no ground and are not in the best interest of the encyclopedia due to it diminishing the clarity of the involved articles. The Banner talk 11:37, 15 October 2022 (UTC)

It is sad to see that you already forgot the prior discussions on Wikipedia talk:Manual of Style/Ireland-related articles and that you prefer to edit war. The Banner talk 13:07, 15 October 2022 (UTC)

October 2022

Your recent editing history at Garda Síochána shows that you are currently engaged in an edit war; that means that you are repeatedly changing content back to how you think it should be, when you have seen that other editors disagree. To resolve the content dispute, please do not revert or change the edits of others when you are reverted. Instead of reverting, please use the talk page to work toward making a version that represents consensus among editors. The best practice at this stage is to discuss, not edit-war. See the bold, revert, discuss cycle for how this is done. If discussions reach an impasse, you can then post a request for help at a relevant noticeboard or seek dispute resolution. In some cases, you may wish to request temporary page protection.

Being involved in an edit war can result in you being blocked from editing—especially if you violate the three-revert rule, which states that an editor must not perform more than three reverts on a single page within a 24-hour period. Undoing another editor's work—whether in whole or in part, whether involving the same or different material each time—counts as a revert. Also keep in mind that while violating the three-revert rule often leads to a block, you can still be blocked for edit warring—even if you do not violate the three-revert rule—should your behavior indicate that you intend to continue reverting repeatedly. The Banner talk 12:44, 15 October 2022 (UTC)

Introduction

Hi Just dropping a note to say hi and thanks for the balanced input on the Ireland talk page. Mogh Roith (talk) 10:17, 15 October 2022 (UTC)

@Mogh Roith I know what it's like starting out. Lots of policies and opinions. But in general most editors, although jaded by some topics coming up repeatedly, are good folk and are helpful. Going up against everyone won't get you anywhere, building consensus is the only way. Cashew.wheel (talk) 20:38, 15 October 2022 (UTC)

Thanks Cashew.wheel. Yeah I agree going up against everyone never works. That said it would appear that a small number may react to any mooted change negatively. I do get that those gatekeeping for a long time maybe simply don't see that that they're no longer supporting a concensus. But I do agree most people don't think like that thankfully. Mogh Roith (talk) 21:54, 15 October 2022 (UTC)

Hey. Regarding your previous suggestion on the Ireland page. Saw this on the external wiki travel site and the discussion on that talk page. Worth taking a look at maybe https://wikitravel.org/en/Britain_and_Ireland Mogh Roith (talk) 21:54, 17 October 2022 (UTC)

Oops forgot these: https://wikitravel.org/en/Talk:Britain_and_Ireland https://wikitravel.org/wiki/en/index.php?title=Ireland Mogh Roith (talk) 22:03, 17 October 2022 (UTC)