Talk:Subdivisions of Egypt/Archive 1
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Africa Destubathon
I destubbed this article during Africa Destubathon. — Preceding unsigned comment added by The Eloquent Peasant (talk • contribs) October 20, 2016 (UTC)
Requested move 17 January 2014
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The result of the move request was: no consensus to move Armbrust The Homunculus 18:23, 31 January 2014 (UTC)
Subdivisions of Egypt → Administrative divisions of Egypt – per other similarly named articles. 
Relisted Armbrust The Homunculus 12:55, 24 January 2014 (UTC) 213.246.84.199 (talk) 14:43, 17 January 2014 (UTC)
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- Really? Most of the articles at Category:Country subdivisions of Africa are titled "Subdivisions of ..." — AjaxSmack 01:53, 18 January 2014 (UTC)
- Perhaps, then, these "Subdivisions of..." articles should also be renamed "Administrative divisions of...", as the former doesn't indicate what type of divisions are involved. 213.246.92.65 (talk) 10:01, 19 January 2014 (UTC)
- Perhaps. But that would be quite a large undertaking and not all subdivisions are administrative divisions (e.g., Ceremonial counties of England, Counties of Rhode Island). On the flip side, what other subdivisions are there of countries than these; i.e., what is the possible confusion in calling articles "Subdivisions of ..." ? — AjaxSmack 16:48, 19 January 2014 (UTC)
- Well, I can imagine (sub)divisions according to ethnicity, religion, income, etc, etc, i.e. things not necessarily administrative or geographical. 213.246.92.65 (talk) 13:58, 21 January 2014 (UTC)
- I suppose the term could be used to denote such categories but I've not seen it widely used (usually just the word "division" plus the subject area is used as in "socio-economic divisions", "religious divisions"). I've never seen it used for a Wikipedia article title; see All pages starting with "Subdivisions of" or this Google search result. — AjaxSmack 19:55, 21 January 2014 (UTC)
- I suppose it depends on context. As with "socio-economic divisions", "religious divisions", etc, "administrative divisions" is less potentially ambiguous. 213.246.85.251 (talk) 15:58, 23 January 2014 (UTC)
- I suppose the term could be used to denote such categories but I've not seen it widely used (usually just the word "division" plus the subject area is used as in "socio-economic divisions", "religious divisions"). I've never seen it used for a Wikipedia article title; see All pages starting with "Subdivisions of" or this Google search result. — AjaxSmack 19:55, 21 January 2014 (UTC)
- Well, I can imagine (sub)divisions according to ethnicity, religion, income, etc, etc, i.e. things not necessarily administrative or geographical. 213.246.92.65 (talk) 13:58, 21 January 2014 (UTC)
- Perhaps. But that would be quite a large undertaking and not all subdivisions are administrative divisions (e.g., Ceremonial counties of England, Counties of Rhode Island). On the flip side, what other subdivisions are there of countries than these; i.e., what is the possible confusion in calling articles "Subdivisions of ..." ? — AjaxSmack 16:48, 19 January 2014 (UTC)
- Perhaps, then, these "Subdivisions of..." articles should also be renamed "Administrative divisions of...", as the former doesn't indicate what type of divisions are involved. 213.246.92.65 (talk) 10:01, 19 January 2014 (UTC)
Discussion
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Second-Tier (markaze and kism) sourcing
The only source I found is from here: [1] This source is work from CAPMAS. I will try to search it myself but maybe someone more familiar with Arabic can help me.
I'm trying to find a second source the following statements found on STATOIDS.COM
At the second-tier are markazes or kisms, "markazes if they are rural and kisms if more urban. As of 2013, there were 371 subdivisions, of which 177 were kisms, 162 markazes, 9 new cities, 3 police-administered areas, and 20 unorganized areas." So the city of Tanta is a markaze, considered more rural but Tanta 1 and Tanta 2 are kisms (more urban).
Thank you. Level C (talk) 16:30, 19 October 2016 (UTC)
- ^ "Egypt Markazes". Statoids. Retrieved 19 October 2016.
Deleted list of second-tier
@Turnopoems: On Nov. 2nd you deleted a list with 371 items from this article.
- I would like for you not to delete the list in second-tier. You deleted them before without discussing it, and I had to add them back.
- I would like for you not to convert the list into a table with populations. On your talkpage you said you will make a table and add populations. I disagree with doing this. Tables are overwhelming on a page.
- If you would like to create a a new article of Second-tier ("markaz") go right ahead and add a table with populations there. This would make sense, just like Governorates section in this article doesn't have populations. Populations shows in the main Governorates article.
I'd like other people to be involved in this discussion. Level C (talk) 01:16, 3 November 2016 (UTC)
- @Level C: I apologized for removing the list, I have no intention of doing so again. If you disagree with turning the list into a table then I'm fine with getting a second-opinion. I might however change the spelling of the names for the sake of uniformity. Turnopoems (talk) 19:44, 3 November 2016 (UTC)
Change names of Second-Tier places
@Turnopoems: Okay. I agree. I say go for it. From what you wrote in the other article, it sounds like you have an idea of how to go about it. How would you respell the following?
- Al-Mansurah 1 (k)
- Al-Mansurah 2 (k)
- Al-Manzilah (m)
Al --> becomes El? Isn't El the old way of writing it? I don't know but I read that somewhere.
- @Level C: No worries, I'll get on it. It's not really about old or new, there's no uniform way of writing them and most newspapers and maps don't use standard Arabic transliteration rules for Egyptian names due to the different pronunciation. Writing it as "El" is the most common method I've come across (and my preferred one, personally). I will transliterate them so that they are uniform with cities and areas mentioned elsewhere on Wikipedia that carry the same name. Turnopoems (talk) 12:13, 5 November 2016 (UTC)
- @Turnopoems: I understand you're respelling some of the names but I don't think you should delete anything from the list. You deleted the "unorganized sections" but I would like for the total to equal 371. This is based on sourced material. Can you add those items you deleted back to the list, so that it is a complete list based on the source. Level C (talk) 04:36, 8 November 2016 (UTC)
- @Level C: I only deleted the "unorganized" as they didn't make much sense. There is no actual area referred to as "unorganized", so what does it mean? It seems like it's referring to something on a specific map.Turnopoems (talk) 10:19, 8 November 2016 (UTC)
- I did remove the unorganized areas from the listed second-level divisions and simply included a sentence saying "unorganized areas exist in several governorates" because I went back to the statoids source and the author, researcher stated he just listed them in order to account for all the area of Egypt, but it was arbitrary and not an official second-level division. Thank you.--the eloquent peasant (talk) 03:17, 27 November 2018 (UTC)
Can start listing here any Third-level (district, village) as we find them
- Toriel in Mansoura
- Shobra Bas (in Minufiya)
- Munshat Sultan (in Minufiya)
- Singirg (in Minufiya)
- Kom Ashken (in Baheira)
- Mit Halfa (in Baheira)
- El Alougy (in Sharkia)
- Bordien (in Sharkia)
- Ghietah (in Sharkia)
- Kahk (in Fayoum)
(These are found on a report called The Basic Village Services: Evaluation 1982 - Sites Visited and analyzed by USAID in 1982.) I spelled them here as they're spelled on the report, only for the sake of speed.
Level C (talk) 13:26, 7 November 2016 (UTC)
- I really don't think we should list villages, there are thousands of them. The list would be a complete mess. Turnopoems (talk) 11:06, 8 November 2016 (UTC)
2nd-tier deleted list items with the name "unorganized..."
@Turnopoems: On your edit where you deleted items from the list you stated "confusing". It might be confusing, but it is correct.
"(cur | prev) 14:31, 5 November 2016 Turnopoems (talk | contribs) . . (11,598 bytes) (-888) . . (→Second-level (markaz, qism): Fixed spelling, removed "unorganized" (confusing, seems like its referring to locations on a map or something). Will continue with edits shortly) (undo | thank)"
The reason those items are on that list is because it is part of a Census data complete list of of 371 items (2nd-tier). The source statoids.com states 371. Just because an official name has not been assigned to the area yet doesn't mean the area doesn't exist. It does exist and should be included in the list. ThanksLevel C (talk) 04:43, 8 November 2016 (UTC)
- I did remove the unorganized areas from the listed second-level divisions and simply included a sentence saying "unorganized areas exist in several governorates" because I went back to the statoids source and the author, researcher stated he just listed them in order to account for all the area of Egypt, but it was arbitrary and not an official second-level division. Thank you.--the eloquent peasant (talk) 03:17, 27 November 2018 (UTC)
Just for the record
I think it's good to have a record of original spelling (census) and respelled by @Turnopoems: "Place names are officially written in Arabic script. City names, and governorate names derived from city names, may be translated, but in general, names must be transliterated or transcribed into the Roman alphabet. There are many possible methods of transliteration...The initial elements Ad, Al, As, Ash, At, and Az are articles. Sometimes, especially in older sources, they are spelled Ed, El, Es, and so on. Sometimes they are connected to the following word with hyphens. A few sources omit the hyphen, entirely." (Administrative Subdivisions of Countries by Gwillim Law, McFarland & Company, Inc., Publishers, page 113)
@Turnopoems: has used the Anglicized variant of the name: Versions of the names that might be more comfortable for English speakers.Level C (talk) 15:16, 8 November 2016 (UTC)
| Original Spelling | Anglicized |
|---|---|
| Sixth of October 1 City (k) | 6th of October 1 (k) |
| Sixth of October 2 City (k) | 6th of October 2 (k) |
| Tenth of Ramadan 1 City (k) | 10th of Ramadan 1 (k) |
| Tenth of Ramadan 2 City (k) | 10th of Ramadan 2 (k) |
| Fifteenth of May City (k) | 15th of May (k) |
| Abdin (k) | Abdeen (k) |
| Abnub (m) | Abnub (m) |
| Abu al-Matamir (m) | Abu El Matamir (m) |
| Abu Hammad (m) | Abu Hammad (m) |
| Abu Hummus (m) | Abu Hummus (m) |
| Abu Kabir (m) | Abu Kebir (m) |
| Abu Qurqas (m) | Abu Qirqas (m) |
| Abu Radis (k) | Abu Radis (k) |
| Abu Simbel (m) | Abu Simbel (m) |
| Abu Tij (m) | Abu Tig (m) |
| Abu Tisht (m) | Abu Tisht (m) |
| Abu Zenima (k) | Abu Zenima (k) |
| 'Ain Schams (k) | Ain Shams (k) |
| Aja (m) | Aga (m) |
| Al-'Ajuzah (k) | Agouza (k) |
| Akhmim (m) | Akhmim (m) |
| Al-'Amriyah (k) | Amreya (k) |
| Al-'Arish 1 (k) | Arish 1 (k) |
| Al-'Arish 2 (k) | Arish 2 (k) |
| Al-'Arish 3 (k) | Arish 3 (k) |
| Al-'Arish 4 (k) | Arish 4 (k) |
| Armant (m) | Armant (m) |
| Ashmun (m) | Ashmoun (m) |
| Aswan (k) | Aswan (k) |
| Aswan (m) | Aswan (m) |
| Asyut (m) | Asyut (m) |
| Asyut 1 (k) | Asyut 1 (k) |
| Asyut 2 (k) | Asyut 2 (k) |
| 'Ataqah (k) | Ataka (k) |
| Atfih (m) | Atfih (m) |
| Awlad Saqr (m) | Awlad Saqr (m) |
| Awsim (m) | Awsim (m) |
| Al-Azbakiyah (k) | Azbakeya (k) |
| Bab ash-Sha'riyah (k) | Bab El Sharia (k) |
| Bab Sharqi (k) | Bab Sharq (k) |
| Badr (k) | Badr (k) |
| Badr (m) | Badr (m) |
| Banha (k) | Banha (k) |
| Banha (m) | Banha (m) |
| Bani Mazar (m) | Beni Mazar (m) |
| Bani Suwayf (k) | Beni Suef (k) |
| Bani Suwayf (m) | Beni Suef (m) |
| Bani Ubayd (m) | Beni Ebeid (m) |
| Baris Shurtah (m) | Baris Shurta (m) |
| Basyun (m) | Basyoun (m) |
| Biba (m) | Biba (m) |
| Bilbays (m) | Bilbeis (m) |
| Bilqas (m) | Bilqas (m) |
| Bir al-'Abd (k) | Bir El Abd (k) |
| Birkat as-Sab' (m) | Birket El Sab (m) |
| Biyala (m) | Biyala (m) |
| Bulaq (k) | Bulaq (k) |
| Bulaq al-Dakrur (k) | Bulaq El Dakrur (k) |
| Al-Burulus (m) | Burullus (m) |
| Burj al-'Arab (k) | Borg El Arab (k) |
| Dahab (k) | Dahab (k) |
| Damanhur (k) | Damanhur (k) |
| Damanhur (m) | Damanhur (m) |
| Damietta 1 (k) | Damietta 1 (k) |
| Damietta 2 (k) | Damietta 2 (k) |
| Damietta (m) | Damietta (m) |
| Dar as-Salam (m) | Dar El Salam (m) |
| Daraw (m) | Daraw (m) |
| Dayr Mawas (m) | Deir Mawas (m) |
| Dayrut (m) | Dairut (m) |
| Ad-Dukhaylah (k) | Dekhela (k) |
| Dikirnis (m) | Dekernes (m) |
| Dishna (m) | Dishna (m) |
| Disuq (k) | Desouk (k) |
| Disuq (m) | Desouk (m) |
| Diyarb Najm (m) | Diyarb Negm (m) |
| Ad-Duqi (k) | Dokki (k) |
| Idfu (m) | Edfu (m) |
| Idku (m) | Edku (m) |
| Ad-Dab'ah (k) | El Dabaa (k) |
| Ad-Darb al-Ahmar (k) | El Darb El Ahmar (k) |
| Ad-Dawahy (k) | El Dawahy (k) |
| Ad-Dilinjat (m) | El Delengat (m) |
| Al-'Arab (k) | El Arab (k) |
| Al-Arb'in (k) | El Arbein (k) |
| Al-'Atarin (k) | El Atareen (k) |
| Al-'Ayyat (m) | El Ayyat (m) |
| Al-Badari (m) | El Badari (m) |
| Al-Badrashayn (m) | El Badrashein (m) |
| Al-Bajur (m) | El Bagour (m) |
| Al-Baliyana (m) | El Balyana (m) |
| Al-Basatin (k) | El Basatin (k) |
| Al-Fashn (m) | El Fashn (m) |
| Al-Fath (m) | El Fath (m) |
| Al-Ghanayim (m) | El Ghanayem (m) |
| Al-Hammam (k) | El Hamam (k) |
| Al-Hamul (m) | El Hamool (m) |
| Al-Hasanah (k) | El Hassana (k) |
| Al-Hawamidiyah (k) | El Hawamdiya (k) |
| Al-Husayniyah (m) | El Husseiniya (m) |
| Al-Ibrahimiyah (m) | El Ibrahimiya (m) |
| Al-'Idwah (m) | El Idwa (m) |
| Al-Jamaliyah (k) | El Gamaliya (k) |
| Al-Jamaliyah (m) | El Gamaliya (m) |
| Al-Janayin (k) | El Ganayin (k) |
| Al-Jumruk (k) | El Gomrok (k) |
| Al-Kawtar (k) | El Kawtar (k) |
| Al-Khalifa (k) | El Khalifa (k) |
| Al-Laban (k) | El Labban (k) |
| Al-Mahallah al-Kubra (m) | El Mahalla El Kubra (m) |
| Al-Mahallah al-Kubra 1 (k) | El Mahalla El Kubra 1 (k) |
| Al-Mahallah al-Kubra 2 (k) | El Mahalla El Kubra 2 (k) |
| Al-Mahmudiyah (m) | El Mahmoudiyah (m) |
| Al-Manakh (k) | El Manakh (k) |
| Al-Manasrah (k) | El Manasra (k) |
| Al-Manshah (m) | El Mansha (m) |
| Al-Manshiyah (k) | El Mansheya (k) |
| Al-Manzilah (m) | El Manzala (m) |
| Al-Maraghah (m) | El Maragha (m) |
| Al-Marj (k) | El Marg (k) |
| Al-Matariyah (k) | El Matareya (k) |
| Al-Matariyah (m) | El Matareya (m) |
| Al-Muski (k) | El Muski (k) |
| Al-Qanatir al-Khayriyah (m) | El Qanater El Khayreya (m) |
| Al-Qanayat (k) | El Qanayat (k) |
| Al-Qantarah (m) | El Qantara (m) |
| Al-Qantarah ash-Sharqiyah (k) | El Qantara El Sharqiya (k) |
| Al-Qurayn (k) | El Qurein (k) |
| Al-Qusayr (k) | El Qoseir (k) |
| Al-Qusiyah (m) | El Qusiya (m) |
| Al-'Umraniyah (k) | El Omraniya (k) |
| Al-'Usayrat (m) | El Usayrat (m) |
| Al-Wahat al-Bahariyah (k) | El Wahat El Bahariya (k) |
| Al-Wahat al-Kharijah (k) | El Wahat El Khariga (k) |
| Al-Waili (k) | El Weili (k) |
| Al-Waqf (m) | El Waqf (m) |
| Al-Warraq (k) | El Warraq (k) |
| Al-Wasta (m) | El Wasta (m) |
| An-Nuzhah (k) | El Nozha (k) |
| Ar-Rahmaniyah (m) | El Rahmaniya (m) |
| Ar-Raml 1 (k) | El Raml 1 (k) |
| Ar-Raml 2 (k) | El Raml 2 (k) |
| Ar-Riyad (m) | El Reyad (m) |
| Ash-Sharabiyah (k) | El Sharabiya (k) |
| Ash-Sharq (k) | El Sharq (k) |
| Ash-Shruq (k) | El Shorouk (k) |
| Ash-Shuhada (m) | El Shohada (m) |
| As-Saff (m) | El Saff (m) |
| As-Sajil (k) | El Segil (k) |
| As-Salam (k) | El Salam (k) |
| As-Santah (m) | El Santa (m) |
| As-Sayidah Zaynab (k) | El Sayeda Zeinab (k) |
| As-Sinbillawayn (m) | El Senbellawein (m) |
| At-Tebin (k) | El Tebbin (k) |
| At-Tur (k) | El Tor (k) |
| Az-Zahir (k) | El Zaher (k) |
| Az-Zarqa' (m) | El Zarqa (m) |
| Az-Zawiyah al-Hamra' (k) | El Zawya El Hamra (k) |
| Az-Zohur (k) | El Zohur (k) |
| Isna (m) | Esna (m) |
| Faisal (k) | Faisal (k) |
| Al-Fayyum (k) | Faiyum (k) |
| Al-Fayyum (m) | Faiyum (m) |
| Fa'id (m) | Fayed (m) |
| Faqus (k) | Faqous (k) |
| Faqus (m) | Faqous (m) |
| Faraskur (m) | Faraskur (m) |
| Farshut (m) | Farshut (m) |
| Fuwah (m) | Fuwa (m) |
| Jamasah (k) | Gamasa (k) |
| Jirja (k) | Girga (k) |
| Jirja (m) | Girga (m) |
| Giza (k) | Giza (k) |
| Giza (m) | Giza (m) |
| Hada'iq al-Qubbah (k) | Hada'iq El Qobbah (k) |
| Halayib (k) | Hala'ib (k) |
| Hawsh 'Isa (m) | Hosh Essa (m) |
| Heliopolis (k) | Heliopolis (k) |
| Helwan (k) | Helwan (k) |
| Hihya (m) | Hihya (m) |
| Al-Ghurdaqah (k) | Hurghada (k) |
| Al-Ghurdaqah 2 (k) | Hurghada 2 (k) |
| Ibshaway (m) | Ibsheway (m) |
| Ihnasiya (m) | Ihnasiya (m) |
| Imbabah (k) | Imbaba (k) |
| Imbabah (m) | Imbaba (m) |
| Ismailia (m) | Ismailia (m) |
| Ismailia 1 (k) | Ismailia 1 (k) |
| Ismailia 2 (k) | Ismailia 2 (k) |
| Ismailia 3 (k) | Ismailia 3 (k) |
| Itsa (m) | Itsa (m) |
| Ityay al-Barud (m) | Itay El Barud (m) |
| Juhaynah al-Gharbiyah (m) | Juhayna El Gharbiyah (m) |
| Kafr ad-Dawwar (k) | Kafr El Dawwar (k) |
| Kafr ad-Dawwar (m) | Kafr El Dawwar (m) |
| Kafr ash-Shaykh (k) | Kafr El Sheikh (k) |
| Kafr ash-Shaykh (m) | Kafr El Sheikh (m) |
| Kafr az-Zayyat (m) | Kafr El Zayat (m) |
| Kafr Sa'd (m) | Kafr Saad (m) |
| Kafr Saqr (m) | Kafr Saqr (m) |
| Kafr Shukr (m) | Kafr Shukr (m) |
| Karmuz (k) | Karmoz (k) |
| Kawm Hamadah (m) | Kom Hamada (m) |
| Kawm Umbu (m) | Kom Ombo (m) |
| Kirdasah (m) | Kerdasa (m) |
| Al-Khankah (m) | Khanka (m) |
| Al-Khusus (k) | Khusus (k) |
| Qutur (m) | Kotoor (m) |
| Luxor (k) | Luxor (k) |
| Luxor (m) | Luxor (m) |
| Al-Ma'adi (k) | Maadi (k) |
| Maghaghah (m) | Maghaghah (m) |
| Mahalat Dimnah (m) | Mahallat Dimna (m) |
| Mallawi (k) | Mallawi (k) |
| Mallawi (m) | Mallawi (m) |
| Manfalut (m) | Manfalut (m) |
| Al-Mansurah (m) | Mansoura (m) |
| Al-Mansurah 1 (k) | Mansoura 1 (k) |
| Al-Mansurah 2 (k) | Mansoura 2 (k) |
| Marina al-'Alamayn as-Siyahiyah (k) | Marina El Alamein (k) |
| Marsa 'Alam (k) | Marsa Alam (k) |
| Marsa Matruh (k) | Mersa Matruh (k) |
| Mashtul as-Suq (m) | Mashtool El Souk (m) |
| Matay (m) | Matay (m) |
| Minuf (k) | Menouf (k) |
| Minuf (m) | Menouf (m) |
| Al-Minya (k) | Minya (k) |
| Al-Minya (m) | Minya (m) |
| Minya al-Qamh (m) | Minya El Qamh (m) |
| Minyat an-Nasr (m) | Minyet El Nasr (m) |
| Mit Ghamr (k) | Mit Ghamr (k) |
| Mit Ghamr (m) | Mit Ghamr (m) |
| Mit Salsil (m) | Mit Salsil (m) |
| Muharam Bik (k) | Moharam Bek (k) |
| Monshat Nasr (k) | Monshat El Nasr (k) |
| Al-Muntazah (k) | Montaza (k) |
| Mubarak - Sharq at-Tafri'tah (k) | Mubarak Sharq El Tafrea (k) |
| Mutubis (m) | Metoubes (m) |
| Nabaruh (m) | Nabaroh (m) |
| Naj' Hammadi (m) | Nag Hammadi (m) |
| Nakhl (k) | Nakhl (k) |
| Naqadah (m) | Naqada (m) |
| Nasir Bush (m) | Nasir Bush (m) |
| Nasr (m) | Nasr (m) |
| Nasr City 1 (k) | Nasr City 1 (k) |
| Nasr City 2 (k) | Nasr City 2 (k) |
| New Akhmim City (n) | New Akhmim (n) |
| New al-Fayyum City (n) | New Faiyum (n) |
| New Aswan City (n) | New Aswan (n) |
| New Asyut City (n) | New Asyut (n) |
| New Bani Suwayf City (k) | New Beni Suef (k) |
| New Burj al-'Arab City (n) | New Borg El Arab (n) |
| New Cairo 1 (k) | New Cairo 1 (k) |
| New Cairo 2 (k) | New Cairo 2 (k) |
| New Cairo 3 (k) | New Cairo 3 (k) |
| New Damietta City (k) | New Damietta (k) |
| New Minya City (n) | New Minya (n) |
| New Qina City (n) | New Qena (n) |
| New Salhiyah (k) | New Salhia (k) |
| New Sawhaj City (n) | New Sohag (n) |
| New Tushka City (n) | New Toshka (n) |
| As-Sāḥal ash-Shamāli (k) | North Coast (k) |
| As-Sāḥal ash-Shamāli (k)* | North Coast (k)* |
| Nuweiba' (k) | Nuweiba (k) |
| Al-'Ubur (k) | Obour (k) |
| Ancient Cairo (k) | Old Cairo (k) |
| Port al-Basal (k) | El Basal Port (k) |
| Port Alexandria Police Dept. (p) | Alexandria Port Police Dept. (p) |
| Port Fuad (k) | Port Fuad (k) |
| Port Fuad 2 (k) | Port Fuad 2 (k) |
| Port Sa'id Police Dept. (p) | Port Said Police Dept. (p) |
| Port Suez Police Dept. (p) | Suez Port Police Dept. (p) |
| Pyramids (k) | El Ahram (k) |
| Qaha (k) | Qaha (k) |
| Qallin (m) | Qallin (m) |
| Qalyub (k) | Qalyub (k) |
| Qalyub (m) | Qalyub (m) |
| Qasr an-Nil (k) | Qasr El Nil (k) |
| Qift (m) | Qift (m) |
| Qina (k) | Qena (k) |
| Qina (m) | Qena (m) |
| Qus (m) | Qus (m) |
| Quwaysina (m) | Quesna (m) |
| Rafah (k) | Rafah (k) |
| Ra's al-Bar (k) | Ras El Bar (k) |
| Ras Gharib (k) | Ras Gharib (k) |
| Ras Sidr (k) | Ras Sidr (k) |
| Rosetta (m) | Rosetta (m) |
| Rud al-Faraj (k) | Rod El Farag (k) |
| Sadat City (m) | Sadat City (m) |
| Safaja (k) | Safaga (k) |
| Sahil Salim (m) | Sahil Salim (m) |
| Saint Katrin (k) | Saint Catherine (k) |
| As-Salum (k) | Sallum (k) |
| Samalut (m) | Samalut (m) |
| Samannud (m) | Samanoud (m) |
| Saqultah (m) | Saqultah (m) |
| Sawhaj (m) | Sohag (m) |
| Sawhaj 1 (k) | Sohag 1 (k) |
| Sawhaj 2 (k) | Sohag 2 (k) |
| Ash-Shalatin (k) | Shalateen (k) |
| Sharm el-Sheikh (k) | Sharm El Sheikh (k) |
| Sheikh Zawid (k) | Sheikh Zuweid (k) |
| Sheikh Zayed (k) | Sheikh Zayed (k) |
| Shibin al-Kawm (k) | Shibin El Kom (k) |
| Shibin al-Kawm (m) | Shibin El Kom (m) |
| Shibin al-Qanatir (m) | Shibin El Qanatir (m) |
| Shirbin (m) | Shirbin (m) |
| Shubra (k) | Shubra (k) |
| Shubra al-Khaymah 1 (k) | Shubra El Kheima 1 (k) |
| Shubra al-Khaymah 2 (k) | Shubra El Kheima 2 (k) |
| Shubra Khit (m) | Shubrakhit (m) |
| Shurtah al-Dakhlah (m) | Shurtet El Dakhla (m) |
| Shurtah al-Farafirah (m) | Shurtet El Farafra (m) |
| Shurtah al-Qasimah (k) | Shurtet El Qasima (k) |
| Shurtah Rumanah (k) | Shurtet Rumana (k) |
| Sidfa (m) | Sidfa (m) |
| Sidi Barrani (k) | Sidi Barrani (k) |
| Sidi Jabir (k) | Sidi Gaber (k) |
| Sidi Salim (m) | Sidi Salem (m) |
| Sinnuris (m) | Sinnuris (m) |
| Sirs al-Layyanah (k) | Sers El Lyan (k) |
| Siwa (k) | Siwa (k) |
| Southern 1 (k) | Ganoubi 1 (k) |
| Southern 2 (k) | Ganoubi 2 (k) |
| Suez (k) | Suez (k) |
| Sumusta al-Waqf (m) | Sumusta El Waqf (m) |
| Taba (k) | Taba (k) |
| Tahta (k) | Tahta (k) |
| Tahta (m) | Tahta (m) |
| Tala (m) | Tala (m) |
| Talkha (m) | Talkha (m) |
| Tamiyah (m) | Tamiya (m) |
| Tanta (m) | Tanta (m) |
| Tanta 1 (k) | Tanta 1 (k) |
| Tanta 2 (k) | Tanta 2 (k) |
| At-Tall al-Kabir (m) | Tell El Kebir (m) |
| Tibah Police Dept. (m) | Tibah Police Dept. (m) |
| Tima (m) | Tima (m) |
| Timay al-Imdid (m) | Timay El Imdid (m) |
| Tukh (m) | Tukh (m) |
| Turah (k) | Tura (k) |
| Unorganized in Ad Daqahliyah (u) | Unorganized in Dakahlia (u) |
| Unorganized in Al Buhayrah (u) | Unorganized in Beheira (u) |
| Unorganized in Alexandria (u) | Unorganized in Alexandria (u) |
| Unorganized in Al Fayyum (u) | Unorganized in Faiyum (u) |
| Unorganized in Al Minya (u) | Unorganized in Minya (u) |
| Unorganized in Al Qalyubiyah (u) | Unorganized in Qalyubia (u) |
| Unorganized in Ash Sharqiyah (u) | Unorganized in Sharqia (u) |
| Unorganized in Aswan (u) | Unorganized in Aswan (u) |
| Unorganized in Asyut (u) | Unorganized in Asyut (u) |
| Unorganized in Bani Suwayf (u) | Unorganized in Beni Suef (u) |
| Unorganized in Bur Sa'id (u) | Unorganized in Port Said(u) |
| Unorganized in Cairo (u) | Unorganized in Cairo (u) |
| Unorganized in Damietta (u) | Unorganized in Damietta (u) |
| Unorganized in Giza (u) | Unorganized in Giza (u) |
| Unorganized in Ismailia (u) | Unorganized in Ismailia (u) |
| Unorganized in Kafr ash Shaykh (u) | Unorganized in Kafr El Sheikh (u) |
| Unorganized in Luxor (u) | Unorganized in Luxor (u) |
| Unorganized in Qina (u) | Unorganized in Qena (u) |
| Unorganized in Suez (u) | Unorganized in Suez (u) |
| Unorganized in Suhaj (u) | Unorganized in Sohag (u) |
| Natron Valley (m) | Wadi El Natrun (m) |
| West Nubariyah (k) | Gharb Nubariya (k) |
| Yusuf as-Sidiq (m) | Yousef El Seddik (m) |
| Az-Zamalik (k) | Zamalek (k) |
| Az-Zaqaziq (m) | Zagazig (m) |
| Az-Zaqaziq 1 (k) | Zagazig 1 (k) |
| Az-Zaqaziq 2 (k) | Zagazig 2 (k) |
| Az-Zaytun (k) | Zeitoun (k) |
| Zifta (m) | Zefta (m) |
- 371 item list. This table shows before and after updated spelling of names.
Note: The duplicate "North Coast" has different populations and different codes.
see HASC code is different, and population is different.
See explanation for HASC code in author's book / paper
North Coast EG.IK.NC k 2,554 0 As-Sāḥal ash-Shamāli
North Coast EG.MT.NC k 536 0 As-Sāḥal ash-Shamāli
So they are two different elements. Leaving on list, twice, as is. Level C (talk) 18:32, 26 November 2016 (UTC)
Arabic article does not match this article
The Arabic labels between "Subdivisions of Egypt" and "Economic Regions of Egypt" (controlled using WIKIDATA) are incorrect. They should be reversed. I fixed them in November but someone changed them back on December 25th, so I'm leaving them alone but they are incorrect.Level C (talk) 12:00, 30 December 2016 (UTC)
Template: Egypt
@Brainist: Thanks for creating the List of Cities template but I'm not sure I agree that the List of Cities template should be added to this article. This page is about administrative divisions and a list of cities could confuse a reader. --the eloquent peasant (talk) 23:52, 25 November 2018 (UTC)
- Also have you seen these existing templates? https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?search=Cities+of+egypt&title=Special%3ASearch&profile=advanced&fulltext=1&advancedSearch-current=%7B%22namespaces%22%3A%5B10%5D%7D&ns10=1 --the eloquent peasant (talk) 01:05, 26 November 2018 (UTC)
- Hi, yes the article is discussing municipal division, but there is already a link to “list of cities” in “see also” section. I think it’s not confusing to the reader since the template is already categorized by governorates. Regarding the template itself, I checked all pre-made templates and I found that “Cities of Egypt” is the first template to include all cities not just the populous one. The template I created using a featured article from Arabic Wikipedia “قائمة مدن مصر". Brainist (talk) 07:44, 26 November 2018 (UTC)
- So one more question 'cause this is a really nice template. Where would I find an English or Arabic source saying there are 248 cities in Egypt as seen in the arabic article - https://ar.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D9%82%D8%A7%D8%A6%D9%85%D8%A9_%D9%85%D8%AF%D9%86_%D9%85%D8%B5%D8%B1 ? (250 is what I counted on your template in the very wee hours of the morning with just one zip of coffee). I would love to see definite references on the number of cities. I would not want to base this on an Arabic wikipedia article, even it was a featured article. Also, what about the issue of towns? Are towns in the template. It becomes a mess quickly.
- Regarding cities: Wouldn't it be better to simply list the cities and towns under each individual governorate's wikiarticle? This way the info can be easily referenced and updated, in the eventuality of all that happening. Thank you for your time. the eloquent peasant (talk) 12:00, 26 November 2018 (UTC)
- Hi, yes the article is discussing municipal division, but there is already a link to “list of cities” in “see also” section. I think it’s not confusing to the reader since the template is already categorized by governorates. Regarding the template itself, I checked all pre-made templates and I found that “Cities of Egypt” is the first template to include all cities not just the populous one. The template I created using a featured article from Arabic Wikipedia “قائمة مدن مصر". Brainist (talk) 07:44, 26 November 2018 (UTC)
- Regarding subdivisions: If you see here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Subdivisions_of_Egypt#Municipal_divisions there are 351 subdivisions (provinces, regions, municipal subdivisions, etc.) not counting the unorganized areas that some governoreates have. This info on this article here came from the website of the author of Administrative Subdivisions of Countries by Gwillim Law - a book I have in my hand. 351 subdivisions on this article doesn't agree with the Arabic article count of 185 "centers", but we have to start somewhere. Gwillim's book / website separates the subdivisions (provinces) into markaz and kism when they share a name, maybe that's where the discrepancy comes from. Digial online maps tend to split them up into marka and kism as well.https://www.citypopulation.de/Egypt-Cities.html --
- An editor in 2006 stated Egypt had 353 markazes or departments he called them. the eloquent peasant (talk) 01:47, 27 November 2018 (UTC)
Third-level subdivisions
According to CAPMAS datasets, the third level rural subdivision is village قرية and the third level urban subdivision is shiyakha شياخة.
| Level | Ubran | Rural |
|---|---|---|
| First | governorate | governorate |
| Second | qism قسم | markaz مركز |
| Third | shiyakha شياخة | village قرية |
Region منطقة (plural: مناطق), sometimes called Economic Region, are above the first level groupings. District حي (plural: أحياء), come in bigger cities between the second and third level rural. Both are not part of the three level administrative divisions of Egypt.
Gharbeia (talk) —Preceding undated comment added 16:52, 15 February 2019 (UTC)