Talk:Siege of Kars (1744)

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Usage of outdate, questionable, unverifiable sources, etc, etc[edit]

First off this article is a travesty of original research, unverifiable information, and WP:POV.

The figures used in the infobox were unsourced, which were removed per WP:OR.

The sentence;

"The siege of Kars in 1744 was Nader Shah's last offensive against Ottoman lands."

was unreferenced and is historically incorrect. Considering that the creator of this article should have sources concerning this siege and the war in general, they seem to be ignorant of a huge disaster that befell the Ottoman Empire at the Battle of Kars (1745), whereby the Ottomans lost between 35,000 - 50,000.^[1] Which oddly enough, mentions a momentary siege of Kars which was lifted by Nader Shah to put down a revolt in Dagestan.^[2]

Von Hammer has been dead since 1856, his work is rather dated and should not be used too liberally. Also, the title of the book should not have been translated, and a full citation should have been written. Fails WP:V

"History of Kars" clearly is not the title of the book. Also, the Kars Tarihi I found, published in 1953, was author by Kirzioglu M. Fahrettin. Fails WP:V.

https://www.historynet.com/kars-fortress/ , Richard F. Selcer is clearly writing outside his area of expertise. And the website is uncited as well.

The Siege of Mosul and Ottoman-Persian Relations", Robert W. Olson, Routledge (2017), no page number. Fails WP:V.

This article needs modern verifiable sourcing, not partial citations to foreign language books or a website article written by an American Civil War historian. --Kansas Bear (talk) 21:59, 17 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

References

^ "Kars, Battle of (August 9-19, 1745)". Middle East Conflicts from Ancient Egypt to the 21st Century: An Encyclopedia and Document Collection. ABC-CLIO. p. 695.
^ "Kars, Battle of (August 9-19, 1745)". Middle East Conflicts from Ancient Egypt to the 21st Century: An Encyclopedia and Document Collection. ABC-CLIO. p. 695.

[1] "Kars, Battle of (August 9-19, 1745)". Middle East Conflicts from Ancient Egypt to the 21st Century: An Encyclopedia and Document Collection. ABC-CLIO. p. 695.

[2] "Kars, Battle of (August 9-19, 1745)". Middle East Conflicts from Ancient Egypt to the 21st Century: An Encyclopedia and Document Collection. ABC-CLIO. p. 695.

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