Talk:Romania in the Eurovision Song Contest 2022

Removal of full list of submitted entries?

Should the full list of all entries submitted even be here? I would say that it is unnecessary to list anything else than the 46 entries that actually were selected by TVR to compete in the contest, not all of the entries that weren't. And if we can't include the full list as a collapsed list, it really takes up a lot of space. Zouki08 (talk) 15:24, 24 January 2022 (UTC)

Since the list was released, I think it should stay. It is pertinent information to the article, in my opinion. Granfcanuon (talk) 14:06, 25 January 2022 (UTC)

Lots of Eurovision preselections have released the full list of entries that were submitted, but Wikipedia normally don't include those lists. Only entries that were actually part of the competition in one way or another, ought to be included. Especially as the list takes up a lot of space, forcing the user to scroll far down to find the actual information about the national preselection. I'd say the list of submitted entries either should be set to collapsed by default, or not included at all. Zouki08 (talk) 14:14, 25 January 2022 (UTC)

No, lots of Eurovision preselections don't usually release the full list of submitted entries. The only two this year of the top of my head are Romania and Moldova, and I can't remember the last time the information about every single submitted entry was made available to the public. Perhaps a compromise could be to make a table consisting of only the entries that did not make it to the semi-final, rather than all of the entries. Granfcanuon (talk) 16:12, 25 January 2022 (UTC)

That could maybe be an option. If so, I would suggest we place that somewhere at the end rather than at the top of the page. But even so, I'm leaning more towards that it isn't actually information that's important enough to mention at all. Zouki08 (talk) 16:00, 29 January 2022 (UTC)

Collapsing them by default is not an option per MOS:DONTHIDE. I'm not that sure about the table, although I agree it takes up a lot of space for how noteworthy it is. ―Jochem van Hees (talk) 16:17, 25 January 2022 (UTC)

As an alternative could we reduce the list so that the songwriters aren't included? Given a lot of them are missing anyway, and I'm not sure where they come from particularly based on the refs provided (were they included as on-screen captions?), and also notability for these songs in general, we could then create a structure similar to the San Marino article where artists and songtitles are included as a collapsible plain list rather than a table. Sims2aholic8 (talk) 17:46, 25 January 2022 (UTC)

I find the list to be overwhelming and somewhat not relevant in what's essentially an overview article. Let's remember that this is not the article for Selecția Națională 2022, it's about the Romanian participation itself with a brief overview of how the entrant was selected. I'd also like to get the opinion of @Cartoon network freak:, who has worked on many of the past Romanian ESC articles. Grk1011 (talk) 18:10, 25 January 2022 (UTC)

I agree. Listing every single song that was submitted to represent a country in Eurovision isn't relevant enough to be included. Especially as the songs that were rejected were never published to be heard by the public. If this kind of detailed information should be included anywhere, it would be better to do it in a separate article for Selectia Nationala 2022. Zouki08 (talk) 16:00, 29 January 2022 (UTC)

So, based on the feedback above, my suggestion is that we remove the list from this page, and instead set up another page dedicated especially to Selectia Nationala 2022. Which can include the list. Does anybody have any objections to that? If not, I will implement the changes within the next few days, so that it's all sorted until the first round begins. Zouki08 (talk) 14:43, 31 January 2022 (UTC)

I believe there to be a consensus to remove it from this article, but I still do have some concerns in general. Does Selectia Nationala 2022 need an article or are you making it just to have a spot to move the list to? Grk1011 (talk) 16:03, 31 January 2022 (UTC)

I would agree that we have consensus on the list point, but I would strongly oppose splitting Selectia Nationala 2022 into its own article. I don't think there is sufficient information to warrant a separate article for that selection at this point and would most likely lead to duplication between this article and the new article. Sims2aholic8 (talk) 17:02, 31 January 2022 (UTC)

Yes, some kind of consensus would be good to get here. But it's also not really a big alteration, so I don't think we need to wait a long time for this. Especially as the contest starts in a couple of days, and it would be practical to have it sorted out by then. So I saw we let those interested state if their for or against removing the list now, and then move on accordingly. As for a separate Selectia Nationala 2022 page. I don't think that's really necessary, no. It was mainly a suggestion so that those who feel like the list ought to be on Wikipedia, can still have it included somewhere. But somewhere else than here. But if we can get a consensus to simply remove the list without adding it somewhere else, then that's a more simple solution. Zouki08 (talk) 21:21, 31 January 2022 (UTC)

I believe we already have consensus here on removing the list from this article, so I've been bold and gone ahead and removed it. Personally I don't think this information needs to remain on Wikipedia, and it's not like Wikipedia is the source of all knowledge so not having certain pieces of information, especially something this detailed, is not the end of the world. Sims2aholic8 (talk) 08:31, 1 February 2022 (UTC)

Diana Bucșa

Just in case someone asks, I recently made an edit changing the name of Diana Bucșa from "Bucșă" to "Bucșa". Here is a video of her saying her own name: [1]. I also checked her appearances on The Voice of Romania and she gives the same pronunciation: /ˈbukʃa/. Bucșă is also a valid name, but it's not her name.  Andreyyshore 🆃︎ 🅲︎  22:50, 2 March 2022 (UTC)