Talk:Osman Nuri Pasha/Archive 18 November 2006

• All of the comments here exist there. --Bejnar (talk) 16:24, 22 December 2008 (UTC)

According to the biography in New International Encyclopedia, the meaning of the term Ghazi is "the victorious." His name and honorary title were Osman Nuri Pasha. Superslum 19:37, 2 March 2006 (UTC)

Another Turkish general was called Ahmed Mukhtar Pasha el Ghazi. Also known as Mukhtar Pasha, he was also described as being "the victorious." Superslum 21:17, 2 March 2006 (UTC)

It simply means "veteran", someone who took part in a war, regardless of whether the war effort was victorious or not. --Cretanforever 05:12, 3 March 2006 (UTC)

Osman Digna (c. 1836-1900) fought in Egypt from about 1882 (more or less) to about 1900 (more or less). He is said to be the man who lost the Sudan to the British. He was called Digna because of the fullness of his beard. He was not "the victorious," he was the defeated man. He was captured on January 19, 1900 near Tokar and imprisoned at Rosetta. Superslum 16:51, 2 July 2006 (UTC)

It appears that Osman Digna was captured in the Red Sea hills on 19 January 1900, was imprisoned in Egypt until 1908, and thereafter lived in Egypt until his death in 1926. Bejnar 19:09, 16 November 2006 (UTC)

Birth Place

Birth place is not Amasya, it was Tokat.Ugur Olgun 12:48, 7 October 2006 (UTC)

Merger

It would seem that the correct name is Osman Nuri Pasha or even more correct Osman Nuri Paşa and not Gazi Osman Pasha, although he was celebrated under that later title after the battle of Plevna when he was returned from Russia.

I will proceed with working on the merger. There are disagreements about his birth year 1832 vs. 1837. 1832 seems to be correct, but I would like to check more sources. His birth place is listed as either Amasya or Tokat. Tokat seems to be correct. His death day is listed as either 5 April or 12 April (Enc.Brit.). 5 April seems to be correct. His death year is either 1897 or 1900. I haven't enough information yet to render an opinion on that. Please help with sources on these if you have access to any authoritative ones. Thanks. Bejnar 19:09, 16 November 2006 (UTC)