Talk:Music of Egypt/Archive 1

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Archive 1

TED?

Early Dates

"Ancient Egyptian musicians are known to have played harps and flutes circa 4000 BC, and double clarinets and lyres from around 3500 BC."

In the absence of specific references and sources, I would question these early dates. The main article cites just one work - a Rough Guide!

Eroica 17:32, 23 March 2006 (UTC)

Neglect of film music & classical music

Throughout the 20th century there was active production of film music and classical music (the latter to a lesser extent). Yet the article neglects both of these genres.Dogru144 01:13, 15 February 2007 (UTC)

insufficient references: the templates remain

Another picture

I couldn't find a good place to put this in the current article, but here's a picture that might be useful: Image:Egyptian harp.jpg. Dreamyshade (talk) 09:48, 17 November 2007 (UTC)

Partial blanking?

Someone with interest and knowledge in this topic really ought to go back through the history of this page for a couple months. I see a string of anonymous edits in March selectively deleting paragraphs. Was it vandalism? - Frankie (talk) 18:37, 21 April 2009 (UTC)

"They also played recorders and clarinets."

This sentence appears out of context at the beginning of the second paragraph. Apart from the fact that recorders and clarinets are European modern era instruments, the sentence seems to be, if not factually wrong, at least out of context there. -- megA (talk) 15:42, 16 January 2012 (UTC)

Article Cleanup

I have visited this article several times since its creation and have always been disappointed at the presentation of material. So today I took the initiative and cleaned it up.

First, I attempted to create a simplified article header.

Next, I rearranged the extant material in the article in chronological and therefore historical order: 1) Ancient Egypt 2) Religious Music in Egypt 3) Modern Egyptian Classical & Pop Music 4) Folkloric Music 5) Folk & Roots Revival 6) Western Classical Music 7) Reconstruction of Ancient Egyptian Music

Topics obviously missing at this point are:

discussion of Ancient Egypt's impact on development of Biblical music, Greco-Roman music, early Christian church music, and the early Islamic sphere (part of #1 above or new section)
the development of Islamic religious music in Egypt (part of #2 above)
classical music and development during Ottoman times (between #2 and #3)
the influence of Egyptian music on American rap & hip-hop (new section?)

The second paragraph of section #1 still contains questionable material and has no source. Also, why would we be talking about Egyptian music theory using 20th-century English vocabulary based on Catholic Church modes? Wouldn't it make more sense to use the indigenous culture's vocabulary (i.e. the maqamat)? That's like an article on the musculo-skeletal system of a zebra that uses Chinese terminology for all the bones. It just doesn't make sense.

You may also notice that I removed the reference to "recorders and clarinets". But if an expert on the Ancient reconstruction wants to weigh in on Ancient Egyptian aerophones, perhaps section #1 can be expanded to include that information in an appropriate context.

If anyone wants to revert to the original text of their section, I request you copy and paste from the version history rather than reverting. The previous versions suffered from a deficit of structure and I would hate to see such a major flaw return to the article. Zeppelin42 (talk) 20:16, 23 November 2014 (UTC)

Following Frankie's suggestion, I went back to look at the article history around March 2009 and discovered several sections needlessly omitted. It appears that at least one person was vandalising the page anonymously. I have now put them back in the article as appropriate under the Medieval and Modern sections. Page numbers in the citations were off, so I fixed those as well. Also, the original author had not properly used quotation marks in his citations, which has now been fixed.Zeppelin42 (talk) 20:49, 23 November 2014 (UTC)

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Occult nonsense

Quote: "Music has been an integral part of Egyptian culture since antiquity. The Bible documents the instruments played by the ancient Hebrews, all of which are correlated in Egyptian archaeology"

Where is that PROOF for that claim, meanwhile, there is no proof of any Jews in ancient Egypt at all...

Besides this should be an article about ancient Egypt and not ancient Hebrews, who have had no role in ancient Egyptian history.

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Thank you. Skingski (talk) 17:59, 3 November 2018 (UTC)

Songs, etc.

Shouldn't this page delve more into the songs/singers or should that be for a separate new page? -- My interest is on expanding the Ancient Egyptian music section. Skingski (talk) 17:50, 3 November 2018 (UTC)

For instance, "Religious music in Egypt" conspicuously omits Ancient Egyptian music. Also, only Old Kingdom music is considered under "History." Skingski (talk) 18:05, 3 November 2018 (UTC)