Talk:Merhavia (moshav)

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A big mess: co-operative – courtyard – moshav – kibbutz all mixed up, land owners completely left out[edit]

@Number 57, Padres Hana, Ulf Heinsohn, and Zeev59: hi. We're in a bad spot here, maybe you know a way out.

Was the co-operative settlement established at the courtyard in 1911?

Wasn the co-operative disbanded and the courtyard abandoned after WWI?

Was there really a continuity between the co-operative and the moshav? Why then did the kibbutz take over the courtyard? Would indicate a discontinuity co-op - moshav. What was the deal between the land owners (Jewish Agency? JNF?) and the new settlements from the 1920s, the moshav and the kibbutz? Why did the kibbutz take over the courtyard, although the kibbutz was founded 7 years after the moshav (1929 vs. 1922)?

Not a single source offered for all these fundamental questions! A big hodgepodge made of these separate entities (the 4 I highlighted in bold), with everything from the Bronze Age onward dumped on the kibbutz page, although the kibbutz came in last. A terrible mess. Arminden (talk) 04:51, 4 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

@Arminden: The book of Shilony that you have contains a lot on this, spelling "Merhavyah". Zero^talk 05:24, 4 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

@Arminden: The article Merhavia (kibbutz) certainly has a more thorough history. Perhaps these should just be merged?Ibadibam (talk) 20:06, 19 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

@Zero0000 and Ibadibam: I can't access much from my phone, sorry, and won't be able to for a long time, if at all. No, I don't support a merger, as these are 2 separate towns. Having most of the common history on one page can always be a solution, but even so, all the questions I have listed above remain unanswered in the kibbutz history section. So all the issues remain to be clarified. Zero, if you have the time and interest, go ahead, or if another willing editor pops up, maybe you can help him out with the Shilony book. I'm really sorry. Arminden (talk) 16:03, 22 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Was the co-operative settlement established in 1911? ( this is listed as dubious currently in the wiki article )[edit]

Ian Black, journalist, deceased, in the book "Enemies and Neighbours" Pg. 32 confirms the establishment of Merhavia in 1911. According to Black, it was reported in many Arabic newspapers. There is a footnote: "Yuval Ben-Bassat, Rural reactions to Zionist activity in Palestine before and after the Young Turk Revolution of 1908 as reflected in petitions to Istanbul, Middle Eastern Studies 49 (3), 2013, pp. 349-63. DiscoDan7700 (talk) 01:29, 1 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]