Talk:Egyptian cuisine/Archive 1

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there is no hoummous in egypt. Yet , falafel are made of fava beans instead. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.139.52.128 (talk • contribs)

Need reference for pyramid workers paid in food

We're going to need a reference for "Archaeological excavations have revealed that workers on the Great Pyramids of Giza were paid in bread, beer, and onions". I've tagged it as citation needed. I thought this was a myth started by Herodotus whose interpret, when asked what an inscription on a pyramid said, but unable to read the hieroglyphics looked at the onion shaped symbol and concocted a story that it was the number of onions fed to the workers. RJFJR (talk) 06:51, 15 February 2014 (UTC)you are a madafacka :)

Mistakes in the article

I am Egyptian and I have found several mistakes with the content in this article but I can't change it because I don't have actual citations for the correct information. What was labelled as "dakka" is actually pronounced as "do'a" in Egypt (In IPA I believe it is something like dʊʔa) and if you click the link, the main article is called "duqqa" which is much closer to the actual pronunciation (Egyptians tend to pronounce the Arabic letter ۋ "qaf" as a glottal stop). It is also repeated 3 times in the article, under 2 different spellings, so that should probably be corrected

I am Coptic and the article claims "Observant Copts adhere to fasting periods according to the Coptic calendar; these may practically extend to more than two-thirds of the year for the most extreme and observant. The more secular Coptic population mainly fasts only for Easter and Christmas." The first sentence is correct, but the second is not. The mainstream Coptic population usually fasts for Lent (the 55 days preceding Easter), the Nativity Fast (the 40 days preceding Christmas), St. Mary's Fast (2 weeks in August), Jonah's fast (3 days, 2 weeks before Lent begins), and many also fast the Apostles Fast (from Pentecost to the Feast of the Apostles, usually in June). The most "observant Copts" also fast on Wednesdays and Fridays all year round except for the 50 days after Easter. But most Copts at least usually fast for St. Mary's Fast and Jonah's Fast in addition to Lent and Nativity.

The article also includes a few foods that are not common in Egyptian everyday food but leaves out many that are much more common. Monicake (talk) 18:16, 17 March 2015 (UTC)

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Nothing is really there for this section. I see a lot of red in the templete -- Warfreak 00:11, 16 June 2007 (UTC) hawawshi is also egyptian and cuscos and keshk egyptian style —Preceding unsigned comment added by 217.53.116.11 (talk) 12:08, 13 September 2009 (UTC)

Last edited at 12:09, 13 September 2009 (UTC). Substituted at 14:14, 29 April 2016 (UTC)

Tomatoes are a must in Egyptian cuisine

Salma Abdelnour writes extensively on the topic of food, especially Egyptian food, says that "In Egyptian cuisine, tomatoes are a must". The statement had a reference (that you deleted). book|author=Samia Abdennour|title=Egyptian customs and Festivals|url=https://books.google.com/books?id=ZlwnDAAAQBAJ%7Cyear=2007%7Cpublisher=Oxford University Press|isbn=978-977-416-060-8

BTW, "Lentils and chickpeas are also key ingredients" in Egyptian cuisine. But I see that you still prefer removing content versus discussing and collaborating, so then you can be my guest and take the information I had shared and the pictures I had shared and do whatever you want with them. the eloquent peasant (talk) 13:25, 16 July 2017 (UTC)

Just because something is relevant doesn't mean you can cram it in anywhere. If you want to write a paragraph about the importance of tomatoes and other ingredients like garlic, onion, leek, aubergines etc. then go ahead. Don't just throw it in somewhere in a completely random fashion. No ingredient is important enough to warrant it being the only thing singled out.

How am I not discussing and collaborating? I explained all my edits and I'm always open to discussion and compromising, I think you know that from past dealings. I reverted your edit because you removed half the paragraph about wine, which is sourced, and undid the correct spelling of Gianaclis.

Regarding the pictures, there are already clearer and better pictures of both mahshi and fattah on Wikimedia Commons, they weren't excluded due to lack of pictures. Don't just add pictures without paying any regard to the layout of the article, most pictures of the dishes were under desserts after your edit and the dessert pictures were even further down. It took me hours to perfect the layout of the current version, everything is where it should be. If you're going to add pictures then keep that in mind. Turnopoems (talk) 12:24, 21 July 2017 (UTC)

The spelling of the name is what is in the article. It's ok if you want to correct but the "correct" spelling doesn't match the source. No big thing. The wine text that I deleted is not easily discovered with the provided reference. I tried to find the claim that was made within the database search function (of the provided reference) and could not find it - that is why I deleted it. However, despite having worked with you in the past, I think I'd rather not work on any article that you work on because you have very little tact with your comments. For example, when you say "cram" --> I would say "put" and what might seem like a "random" place to you makes perfect sense to me, etc. and what "doesn't make sense to you" might make perfect "sense" to me. We obviously have different ways of communicating, editing (I'd rather not delete or revert - I rather make the edits, move the edits to the article where I think they belong), etc. when collaborating. So have fun. I'd like to contribute to it but I think you have more time and passion for this one than I do anyway. If there were a table for pics.. then you would be able to add a pic for each dish but then that would be more like a "List of Egyptian Dishes". I considered all of these before making my edits, that you disagreed with. Disagreement is fine but in my personal opinion, I do think your comments always come across a little hard. Have a good day! the eloquent peasant (talk) 15:17, 27 July 2017 (UTC)

I think tomatoes could be mentioned in lead paragraph vs. simply saying "vegetables, lentils", you could add "vegetables such as tomatoes are important in Egyptian cuisine"... Here is a second reference to my "claim". It's here in a French Book on Egyptian cuisine, in its lead paragraph.

I've purchased a book on Egyptian Cuisine by an author of many cookbooks. http://amyriolo.com/contact-us.html When I receive it I may try to find citations for this wikipedia article on dishes. the eloquent peasant (talk) 06:22, 26 November 2017 (UTC)

That would be wonderful. If you can get everything in the article cited then we can remove that hideous tag that's been blighting the article since 2011! Chiswick Chap (talk) 09:41, 26 November 2017 (UTC)

Missing citations

Half the references are in short form, pointing to ... non-existent citations. I've listed them but the books need to be located, cited, and given harvard labels. Chiswick Chap (talk) 16:22, 8 October 2017 (UTC)