Talk:EastMed pipeline

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@Esslet, SharabSalam, and Khirurg: Can someone explain to me what connection Union for the Mediterranean organization has to this project? It is used in the map, (right side) yet it has absolute no connection to the project. There is not a single reference connecting that organization to this project. 2 user with pro-Greek histories have reverted me and accused me of POV pushing when I reverted this unreferenced addition from the map. Thanks for your time. ArtyomSokolov (talk) 20:02, 22 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

@ArtyomSokolov: The map you removed might not be perfect, but yours is far worse and seems like a complete joke. Let me lay out the issues with your "map":

the article regards the EastMed pipeline but your map does not show its proposed location -that's basic information.
you highlighted Turkey, Libya and the Republic of Northern Cyprus (recognised only by Turkey) in red as countries "opposing the deal", according to your map's description. Do you have any sources for that claim? Because you definitely did not provide any.
as you may know, Libya's political situation is complicated at the moment. The Government of National Accord, under the leadership of Fayez al-Sarraj, controls much of western Libya, the House of Representatives and Khalifa Haftar, leader of the Libyan National Army, controls eastern Libya and then there are other militias as well in the south. These factions have rival interests in the area, including on the East Med pipeline project. The situation being all that complicated, you just coloured the whole country red.
you've highlighted half the Aegean Sea, a large area that includes inhabited Greek islands, in red (as belonging to Turkey) for some reason.
you connected the waters between Turkey and Libya south of Crete (in red colour), in accordance with the recent maritime deal between the government of Turkey and Libya's Government of National Accord that established their EEZ. I should remind you that the European Union, the Tobruk government of Libya, Greece, Egypt and Cyprus have all rejected and condemned that deal as illegal. With that in mind, your map is not neutral.

For the above reasons, the map you created does not conform with Wikipedia's policies of neutrality and verifiability and it is my belief that in its current form it not only isn't acceptable for use in this or any other article on Wikipedia, but may also have to be deleted from Commons as well.

Now on other issues regarding your contributions and edit summaries, I wonder what exactly do you have in mind when you accuse me of "pro-Greek history". I'm mainly editing, updating and expanding articles related to Greece because I live there. And that's how wikipedia works, based on volunteers that all share the will to improve and maintain articles by contributing their knowledge and area of expertise! You called me a cyber patriot of ancient greece (?!) and a user with pro-Greek history (more than twice). It's incomprehensible to me that you would attack me (and Khirurg as well) like this just because we reverted you. Your contributions so far could get you blocked.

In conclusion, if you want to correct the other map that is completely fine with me. Just don't try to add that other thing you created. Esslet (talk) 11:14, 24 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

@Esslet: I've got 3 proposal maps to the right. By the when I said ancient Greek warrior it was meant sarcasm rather than bad faith. ArtyomSokolov (talk) 10:51, 25 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
The first proposal is a defacto map that shows borders as they currently are with regards to Libya and Northern Cyprus. ArtyomSokolov (talk) 10:51, 25 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
The second map showed borders recognized the UN, with Tripoli government and Southern Cyprus being recognized as sole authority. ArtyomSokolov (talk) 10:51, 25 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
The third map shows UN recognized Tripoli gov for whole Libya, (similar to Google Maps etc.) But also shows Northern Cyprus which opposed the project. ArtyomSokolov (talk) 10:51, 25 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
I personally support Option 2 here to avoid keep updating the map with regards to border changes in Libya, and Northern Cyprus being only recognized by Turkey. ArtyomSokolov (talk) 10:51, 25 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

I have no further opinion on the matter, at this point. Esslet (talk) 15:11, 25 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

The editor ArtyomSokolov rammed the changes on an existing file which was someone else's work, which is highly disruptive. They falsely claimed that the changes had WP:CONSENSUS in this talk page which is not true. Therefore I have now reverted the changes and I am urging the editor to refrain from this behavior in the future. It is highly disruptive. --- ❖ SilentResident ❖ ^{(talk ✉ | contribs ✎)} 23:28, 22 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Seems there is an edit war about the map. The way to fix that is to upload new maps with a new name and change the artricle. New map can be found here File:20200722093317!EastMed project map.png. Add that if you like that better. --MGA73 (talk) 07:44, 23 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

User uploaded it as File:EastMed pipeline project map.png so use that instead. --MGA73 (talk) 10:06, 23 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]