Talk:Crimea in the Soviet Union

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Crimean ASSR was not created directly from the Empire's Taurida Governorate. There was several short-lived regimes (both "Red" and "White") in Crimea after the collaps of the Empire in 1917-1920. We should mention this somehow. Don Alessandro 17:26, 4 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Pre-war Crimean ASSR (1921-1945) and short lived Crimean ASSR of 1991 were two quite different entities. They should be described in separate articles. Don Alessandro (talk) 10:52, 12 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

collaboration[edit]

The collective deportation of Crimean Tatars by Stalin was of course a crime no matter what, already by its nature as collective punishment, but the claim that "alleged collaboration" was a "false pretext" bears some examination. It seems that sources arguing it was a "false pretext" focus on actual military service of Tatars in the German army, or even in the SS (Tatar Legions); otoh, "collaboration" may simply mean "lack of resistance", and apparently the local government was on rather good terms with the occupation; it seems this was because the Nazis in a kind of oversight placed an actual nice guy as head of the Crimean district, who refused orders to terrorise the population, who in turn did not care to organise uprisings. So the deportation was a kind of delayed backlash from the good fortune of falling under the governance of a nice Nazi who basically just wanted to spend his time sightseeing Gothic monuments. --dab (𒁳) 13:15, 24 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Requested move 5 June 2022[edit]

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

The result of the move request was: Moved - No oppose !votes, no obvious policy reasons for preventing the move, previous opposers appear to have been convinced through persuasive discussion in favour of the move. (non-admin closure) FOARP (talk) 08:29, 5 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Crimean Autonomous Soviet Socialist Republic → Soviet-era Crimea – This proposal has two parts. First, merge the very short companion article Crimean Oblast into this article, which is already laid out to easily receive that text. Second, rename the resulting article to "Soviet-era Crimea" or "Crimea in the Soviet era" if you think that's better. NewsAndEventsGuy (talk) 12:56, 5 June 2022 (UTC)— Relisting. Spekkios (talk) 01:28, 23 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose. I don't see what's the point of doing this. Super Ψ Dro 13:51, 5 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

See WP:MERGEREASON....(A) they're short.... including references and images Crimean Oblast=11k bytes and this article only 17K bytes. (B) this article already has subsection headings for the oblast period so there is overlap/duplication (C) being new to the topic, they would have been easier for me to understand gathered in one place and presented chronologically and I'm sure I'm not alone; (D) it would go a loonnnnng way to clearing up confusion caused by the blizzard of article titles containing "Crimea". Compare the current Crimea (disambiguation) with what we could do instead Crimea Articles. I believe this will help readers new to these topics quickly get - and stay - oriented as they navigate Crimea articles. NewsAndEventsGuy (talk) 16:13, 5 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Thinking about it, we already do this for articles on the communist governments of Romania, Czechoslovakia, Albania, Yugoslavia, etc. Support move and merge. However, I wouldn't support merging all four governments in Crimea formed from the start of WW1 to the formation of the USSR. Ideally just the two Bolshevik ones. This article could also be moved to Soviet Crimea to follow standard practice in similar articles like Ottoman Bulgaria. Super Ψ Dro 17:35, 5 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

thanks for revisiting.... and improving the original idea, Soviet Crimea sounds good to me tooNewsAndEventsGuy (talk) 17:49, 5 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

PS as for merging articles relating to the period 1917-1921 I withdraw that part. The disambig page only listed four but there are a bunch at History of Crimea NewsAndEventsGuy (talk) 17:51, 5 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

~~Oppose~~ per WP:CONSISTENCY with other Autonomous Soviet Socialist Republics. We shouldn't rename just one of the autonomous republics. Vpab15 (talk) 14:38, 18 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]
- Change to Support. It makes sense to combine the non-continuous Crimean ASSR history with the administrations in between. Vpab15 (talk) 15:51, 18 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

Needs to be spilt[edit]

The importance of the original Crimean ASSR cannot be overstated and is worthy of a separate article. Merging it to deny it its own article is Stalinist propaganda to conceal and downplay the existance of the original Crimean ASSR in line with Soviet censorship that demanded everyone forget it existed. The discussion about the merge was hasty, had only 2 votes, and did not try to consider the opinions of any Crimean Tatars on the matter.--72.49.53.74 (talk) 17:50, 4 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]