Talk:CGR 2-6-0ST 1900

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Kitson 2-6-0 locos for the CGR - Some uncertainties[edit]

The following is an email from John Middleton on 14 November 2013:

From: John Nicholas Middleton
To: Kol Andre H Kritzinger
Cc: Bruno Martin ; The Lake's ; Leith Paxton
Sent: Thursday, November 14, 2013 12:21 AM
Subject: Re: CGR 2-6-0ST of 1900

Andre

I think this needs some modification, the following text is what I have currently written in my industrial locomotives draft for the Eastern Cape.

The key problem is that Kitson records only confirm ONE new locomotive for the PEHB.

The 2-6-0ST are confusing, the only certainty is K 4245 built new which is assumed to be O. The SAR Rolling Stock Register refers to three I,J and O all shown as built 1901 but there may have been a fourth - possibly H. The origins of these locos lie in ten CGR 1st Class 2-6-0 tender engines, Nos M15-M24 (K 2046-47 of 1875 and 2079-86 of 1876). All ten were rebuilt to 2-6-0ST with K 4245 built to an almost identical design with slightly larger cylinders.
DF Holland in his “Steam Locomotives of the South African Railways” states that five were sold to the PEHB (Nos M15/16/20/21/23), the other five were withdrawn prior to the 1899 CGR renumbering. However, the problem with this is that the five locos above passed into SAR stock as 0415/16/20/21/23 and although they certainly worked for SAR in Port Elizabeth (and East London), they were variously scrapped between 1916-1946 and have separate entries in the SAR Rolling Stock Register to the numbers 01024-26 allocated to the PEHB locos.
Two of these 2-6-0ST are known to have become Bloemfontein Works shunters by 1892 and its possible that of the five withdrawn prior to 1899 (M17-19/22/24), three were sold to PEHB and two went to Bloemfontein. Possibly Locos H, I and J were these locos (with O coming later).
In the Kitson works lists, there is a block of five numbers K 4079-4083 of 1901 for which no details are available. It is possible that Kitson did supply new locos in 1901 although another explanation is that Kitson provided new boilers in 1901 for at least some of these old locos which may explain why the Rolling Stock Register shows them as 1901 built.
We may have to modify this yet again with the realisation that some of the earlier AE / BP locos may also have been rebuilt as saddle tanks.

Regards

John

Inserted here for future reference. André Kritzinger (talk) 14:53, 14 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]